[anti-abuse-wg] Astroturfing?

On Wed, 3 Apr 2019, Michele Neylon - Blacknight wrote:

> Carlos
>
> I've absolutely zero issue with new people engaging, but lots of one line "+1" or almost identical emails isn't meaningful engagement.

Hi,

As i understand it, it won't be meaningful only if people unsubscribe from 
the list after stating support or opposition -- but i have no clue even 
about the list's current size.

If newcomers are aware this list exists, and understand it is the proper 
place where they can contribute to policy-making (regarding Anti-Abuse), 
they could be a bit more interactive in further discussions. :-)

I think for most newcomers, it won't be very easy to just subscribe and 
immediately start writing long messages.

Regards,
Carlos



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> On 03/04/2019, 12:53, "Carlos Friaças" <cfriacas at fccn.pt> wrote:
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>
>    Hi Michele, All,
>
>    I had to Google for 'astroturfing'. I learned something today. :-)
>
>    As i see it, the "community" is not a closed group.
>
>    It was repeateadly stated that "consensus" or "rough consensus" is not a
>    vote. I think that is clear for everyone.
>
>    Just like a few days ago i wrote that i hoped there wasn't any kind of
>    discrimination against portuguese participants, i hope there isn't also
>    any kind of discrimination against new participants on this WG.
>
>    I may understand if some people prefer to have less people in the WG, but
>    i'm not part of that set.
>    While worrying about how we can improve rules/tools against Abuse (that's
>    the point of an Anti-Abuse WG, right?), i would also like to see a much
>    larger number of people involved!
>
>    If someone has any doubt about if newcomers are real persons, then
>    please Google away. :-)
>
>    I met in person most of people that are supporting 2019-03 and also
>    those that are opposing it (some of which i even co-authored other
>    proposals), since a while back.
>
>    ps: I think i haven't met Sebastien Lahtinen in person since 10y or so, so
>    if 2019-03 made him show up on the list, that's another plus :-))
>
>    Best Regards,
>    Carlos
>
>
>
>
>    On Wed, 3 Apr 2019, Michele Neylon - Blacknight wrote:
>
>    > All
>    >
>    > Is someone encouraging astroturfing?
>    >
>    > The number of either new or inactive members of this list who have posted one line messages in support of the recent policy discussion has reached insane levels
>    >
>    > Regards
>    >
>    > Michele
>    >
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