[anti-abuse-wg] GDPR - positive effects on email abuse

On Wed, 30 May 2018 13:37:20 +0100
Malcolm Hutty <malcolm at linx.net> wrote:

> Please stop. This is not helpful.
> 

so, what you are saying is that I should stop sending email?
or, whatever my opinions are, has to only be helpful?

or if you say something, then it has to be accepted?

I am a human person, I have feelings and when my feelings are insulted,
I react.  I am not a particularly helpful person.



But, I do not tell other people, in public, that their opinions are rubbish.



In fact, I do not recall personally insulting anyone on this list, over
many years.

I also do not compare the opinions of other people to evil people in my
country.

I am tired of people demanding respect but treating other people like
crap.

I am tired of wolves hiding in sheep clothing.

I am tired of being quiet.

I am tired of people twisting words, making up fake news.

Like you just did Malcolm, 

Simply saying: "accusations that your political opponents abduct babies"

Without being responsible for your words.

You should apologise Malcolm, but you will not. 

There is no reason why I should simply accept your word from on high.

So, ban me from this wg and this email list then. Even though I have
not abused anyone.


ban me for taking offense, feeling hurt and speaking the truth.


Please do that. Show me you can? You know you want to. 


> On 30/05/2018 13:36, ox wrote:
> > On Wed, 30 May 2018 13:06:57 +0100
> > Malcolm Hutty <malcolm at linx.net> wrote:  
> >>
> >> But can we please leave out accusations that your political
> >> opponents abduct babies? That surely crosses the line. The trope
> >> is, at least,  
> > 
> > there are no accusations of any kind.
> > 
> > and, to be more clear, nobody said anything about abducting.
> > 
> > Factually: 
> > https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/28/us/trump-immigrant-children-lost.html
> > 
> > The USA does forcefully remove babies from the arms of their
> > mothers.
> > 
> > Furthermore: The US Government does "lose"  000 these children.
> > 
> > This is not accusations. And, mentioning the facts, as they are,
> > undisputed, does not cross any line.
> > 
> > And who are 'political opponents' ? 
> > 
> > Please do bother actually reading the argument? or ask if you did
> > not understand it?
> > 
> > Simply stating that, in your opinion, there are accusations and
> > abductions are pathetic in itself as it completely ignores or
> > addresses the salient fact that Ronald said my opinion is 'rubbish'
> > and that my opinion is equal to what "Fox" blasts out and "Fox" (by
> > implication, Republicans, in America states.
> > 
> > It is my choice to find that offensive as by implication my opinion
> > equates that which the USA (and Fox) is promoting.
> > 
> > As it disgusts me, it is an insult and it is offensive.
> > 
> >   
> >> Older Than Feudalism, and very likely Older Than Dirt, and as
> >> always raising it serves no purpose other than to demonise one
> >> group of people and to smear another by association, thereby
> >> shutting down the conversation. It's not an argument, it's a
> >> transparent attempt to exclude. Please stop.
> >>  
> > Please stop what? Speaking the truth?
> > 
> > Taking offense at people equating my opinions to rubbish?
> > 
> > Please be more clear in what you are stating Malcolm? What would you
> > like to stop?
> >   
> >> More generally, I believe this discussion would be improved if
> >> people stopped throwing around terms like "European" and
> >> "Republican" as though they are terms of abuse. Our community is,
> >> and should be, open to all.
> >>  
> > Who said anything to the contrary?
> > 
> > Andre
> > 
> > 
> >   
> 
>