[anti-abuse-wg] GDPR - positive effects on email abuse

Malcolm,

Thank your words on this. I have no problem with occasional intemperance, but there is a marked difference between that and some of the repeated language and references that have marked some of this thread.

You wish for a line to be drawn at references to babies (and after our recent referendum in Ireland, there has been a lot of that), whereas (and I don't disagree with you particularly) one of my issues relates to repeated use of the term 'shy transvestites' and also the accusations of mental illness/disease.

As I said, occasional intemperance, sure. Heated discussion, grand. However as I said I believe this thread has gone past both of those in a number of instances and I would ask everyone involved to take a step back and focus on the facts of the discussion.

Thanks again,

Brian



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> -----Original Message-----
> From: anti-abuse-wg <anti-abuse-wg-bounces at ripe.net> On Behalf Of
> Malcolm Hutty
> Sent: Wednesday 30 May 2018 13:07
> To: anti-abuse-wg at ripe.net
> Subject: Re: [anti-abuse-wg] GDPR - positive effects on email abuse
> 
> On 30/05/2018 04:47, it was written:
> > Well, many people. let me start with myself: You claim that my
> > opinions are rubbish and you compare my opinions to those same people
> > (Fox/Republicans) whom:
> >
> > violently take babies away from mommies - yes, at a border Americans
> > grab little babies from the hands of their mothers and take the mommy
> > and the little baby to different "detention" facilities.
> 
> I have been following this thread with great interest, and have found points I
> find persuasive and unpersuasive on both sides.
> 
> It could be said that the thread is wandering off into unproductive theorising,
> but in the circumstances of the advent of GDPR, whether public WHOIS really
> is a necessary or important component of anti-abuse activities seems a broad
> topic worth debating fully. Some light has even been shed on GDPR's
> meaning.
> 
> I also consider myself highly tolerant of passionate and occasionally
> intemperate comments. It seems to me that it is better to have it out, and to
> show the respect of tolerating less well mannered arguments, than to try to
> aggressively police language and so exclude many people from full
> participation in the debate. Usually those that go over the top do more harm
> to their own case than to others, and that has been how I have reacted to
> some of the comments in this thread.
> 
> But can we please leave out accusations that your political opponents abduct
> babies? That surely crosses the line. The trope is, at least, Older Than
> Feudalism, and very likely Older Than Dirt, and as always raising it serves no
> purpose other than to demonise one group of people and to smear another
> by association, thereby shutting down the conversation. It's not an
> argument, it's a transparent attempt to exclude. Please stop.
> 
> More generally, I believe this discussion would be improved if people
> stopped throwing around terms like "European" and "Republican" as though
> they are terms of abuse. Our community is, and should be, open to all.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Malcolm.
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