[anti-abuse-wg] Decision on Proposal 2017-02

Ok, thank you Alexander, I now feel I better understand your objection.

Thanks,

Brian
Co-Chair, RIPE AA-WG

Brian Nisbet 
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: anti-abuse-wg <anti-abuse-wg-bounces at ripe.net> On Behalf Of
> Alexander Isavnin
> Sent: Tuesday 27 March 2018 14:39
> To: anti-abuse-wg at ripe.net
> Subject: Re: [anti-abuse-wg] Decision on Proposal 2017-02
> 
> Thanks for question, i really forgot to add important clarification paragraph
> for objection.
> 
> On 2018-03-27 14:50:13 CET, Brian Nisbet wrote:
> > Alexander,
> >
> > Thanks for this.
> >
> > I'd just like to clarify something, are you objecting wholly to this proposal
> because you would prefer stronger/more complex checks? In that you feel it
> doesn't go far enough?
> I'm objecting wholly to this proposal, because i doesnt' significantly improve
> data quality of the whole registry and doesn't help to prevent serious abuse.
> And being IT guy (and sometimes executive) i do not like implementing
> something, "just because we can".
> (and i had arguments, that valid abuse-c won't help against really malicious
> abuse)
> 
> If we need such kind of policy, than it should be full scale Automated Registry
> Checks (probably with all contacts, validity of routing, validity of resource
> assigments, responsiveness of contacts, etc..) - in a way, which will
> guarantee some measurable level on quality. (NCC Database SLA)
> 
> But now, i prefer current situation, with trust to LIRs and light assisted
> checks.
> 
> Years ago, talking first time to Rob Blokzijl i'v asked him: "Why information in
> database is not being checked fully, with all phone numbers/emails checks,
> submitting confirming papers for each assignment etc, like any activities done
> in Russia?". He responded something like "It's not in tradition". And i value
> such traditions.
> I would like for us to stay in Western European tradition, rather than moving
> to Police State tradition.
> But if community decides to move - the move should be done with good and
> complete approach.
> 
> Hope you'll get me right.
> 
> Kind regards,
> Alexander Isavnin
> 
> 
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