[anti-abuse-wg] Decision on Proposal 2017-02

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Sascha Luck [ml] <aawg at c4inet.net>
> Sent: Thursday 15 March 2018 18:45
> To: Brian Nisbet <brian.nisbet at heanet.ie>
> Cc: anti-abuse-wg at ripe.net
> Subject: Re: [anti-abuse-wg] Decision on Proposal 2017-02
> 
> On Thu, Mar 15, 2018 at 05:08:29PM +0000, Brian Nisbet wrote:
> >For instance, what about the suggested implementation is onerous or
> oppressive?
> 
> Nothing, and I didn't state that it was. The problem is that, once accepted,
> the implementation is out of the hands of this community or indeed
> everyone bar the NCC Board. They can make it as onerous and oppressive as
> they want.

Ah, ok, my apologies. So, because I'd like to be clear here, you are objecting to this proposal on the basis of something that may or may not happen in the future?

> Furthermore, from the general tenor of this discussion I can't help assuming
> that 2017-02 won't be the end of it and I have to take this into account when
> considering the (de)merits of 2017-02.

Ok, but do you have any issues with 2017-02 as written, bearing in mind what Marco and myself have already said about the policies around non-adherence to RIPE policies?
 
> Also one point I raised remains so far entirely unaddressed - why does a
> proposal and its implementation plan prescribe the use of email (in 2018!) for
> contact information?

As always, if you wish to propose something that involves other media, please do. But at present, this is the medium in use.

Thanks,

Brian
Co-Chair, RIPE AA-WG

> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: anti-abuse-wg <anti-abuse-wg-bounces at ripe.net> On Behalf Of
> >> Sascha Luck [ml]
> >> Sent: Thursday 15 March 2018 17:04
> >> To: anti-abuse-wg at ripe.net
> >> Subject: Re: [anti-abuse-wg] Decision on Proposal 2017-02
> >>
> >> On Wed, Mar 14, 2018 at 03:33:42PM +0100, Sander Steffann wrote:
> >> >This proposal is a first step to catch low hanging fruit. Yes: there
> >> >are many things that can (should) be improved, but getting consensus
> >> >on these controversial topics is difficult. So the proposers are
> >> >taking it one step at a time. Based on the discussion on this
> >> >mailing list those steps apparently have to be very small, but at
> >> >least there is the possibility of movement :)
> >>
> >> Correctly and perfectly summarised. A textbook example of early-stage
> >> frog- boiling.
> >> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boiling_frog
> >>
> >> The road to oppressive and onerous regulation is taken a small step
> >> at a time in the 21st century and that's why it is important to
> >> resist such attempts NOW while it is possible to do so without great
> personal sacrifice.
> >>
> >> For the avoidance of doubt, the above constitutes (continuing)
> >> opposition to 2017-02.
> >>
> >> rgds,
> >> Sascha Luck
> >>
> >