[anti-abuse-wg] When email verification behavior is abusive

If you framed your issues or questions more clearly and succinctly it would be helpful.

In relation to your specific "ask" I don't think it's the right one. You could, potentially, come up with a best practice eg. That providers should verify that account holders / users have access to an email address before letting them add it to a service. But I've no idea how you'd decided on rate limiting the verification emails. Based on my own experiences with mail servers, spam filters, grey listing etc., you can easily end up spamming yourself when those emails don't come through quickly enough.



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On 18/07/2018, 12:30, "anti-abuse-wg on behalf of ac" <anti-abuse-wg-bounces at ripe.net on behalf of ac at main.me> wrote:

    
    Thank you for asking that very valid question!
    
    Whether something is Abuse or not abuse and when Internet behavior is
    abuse or not has everything to do with this WG.
    
    And, discussing what constitutes abuse (or not), how (or even if) it
    affects RIR etc is very relevant as it leads to a clearer understanding
    of many things. 
    
    One very basic thing would be resource abuse reporting.
    
    How can anyone report abuse if it is not even considered to be abuse?
    
    I can go on and on, but that would be counter productive.
    
    Why do you not help and tell me what arbitrary number of verify your
    email address, emails would you consider to be abuse - and in/over
    which period?
    
    That would be super helpful to everyone, as I do not think any of us
    actually knows what we all consider the arbitrary number to be?
    
    Or are you saying it is not abuse at all?
    
    Actually, sorry I may not understand why you are asking about
    relevance? 
    
    Regards
    
    Andre
    
    On Wed, 18 Jul 2018 11:03:47 +0000
    Michele Neylon - Blacknight <michele at blacknight.com> wrote:
    
    > What's any of this got to do with RIPE and this WG?
    > Is there a policy proposal or something else forthcoming?
    > 
    > Regards
    > 
    > Michele
    > 
    > --
    > Mr Michele Neylon
    > Blacknight Solutions
    > Hosting, Colocation & Domains
    > https://www.blacknight.com/
    > https://blacknight.blog/
    > Intl. +353 (0) 59  9183072
    > Personal blog: https://michele.blog/
    > Some thoughts: https://ceo.hosting/ 
    > -------------------------------
    > Blacknight Internet Solutions Ltd, Unit 12A,Barrowside Business
    > Park,Sleaty Road,Graiguecullen,Carlow,R93 X265,Ireland  Company No.:
    > 370845 
    >