[anti-abuse-wg] Google & Cisco

Hello All,

As we all know, Google and Microsoft dominates email relay in many
places and they are getting even larger with each passing year.

They are not getting larger because they are offering great email
service but because they are ever more aggressive and sometimes under
handed and do not behave decently or in an ethical way.

if the present trends continue, there will be almost no email relay
that does not operate through either Microsoft or Google.   

Interesting thing that all of us (and Microsoft) should take careful note of is 
that Google has done a deal with Cisco (Talos SpamCop) whereby reports
about abuse (including spear phish, spam, scams, etc) - are no longer
sent to Google (abuse at google.com) but directly to the relay ipv4/ipv6
abuse ISP contact. When there is no ipv4/ipv6 abuse contact the complaints 
are discarded and in a minority of cases, still go to abuse at google.com

Microsoft of course has two attack vectors. One the 'custom' protocols
of their exchange servers and the other is that they mix legit email
and spear phish, payday loan scams from the same servers. Google has
now also started doing the same thing. Before Google used to be
more responsive to abuse complaints and there were fewer actual
criminal activity relayed by Google. So, it is becoming more frequent
and common to find spear phish attack on a client, from Google and
Microsoft and this motivates clients to move services to Microsoft or
Google.

I do not think that there is much an abuse wg can discuss around this,
as there is not much or anything that any of us can actually do about
the present situation as both Google and Microsoft has simply become
too large and year on year they are getting larger.

Any comments?