[anti-abuse-wg] 2017-02 New Policy Proposal (Regular abuse-c Validation)

Suresh,

Indeed, and it's a point that I should have reiterated earlier in
regards to when in the process the NCC will provide their impact assessment.

Thanks,

Brian

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On 14/09/2017 11:29, Suresh Ramasubramanian wrote:
> Sorry – two sets of impacts
> 
> 1. Impact on NCC staff’s time – ok, impact assessment
> 2. How many ASNs are we talking about here and can they be aggregated under some specific upstream providers?
> 
> I am sure an impact assessment would work – my point was that a lot of the criticism so far has been jumping to conclusions over the impact.
> 
> On 14/09/17, 3:03 PM, "Brian Nisbet" <brian.nisbet at heanet.ie> wrote:
> 
>     Suresh,
>     
>     This information will be part of the NCC's Impact Assessment, which is
>     supplied at the end of the initial discussion phase. The first phase is
>     around the proposal itself and whether the community feels it has merit
>     in and of itself.
>     
>     All of the pieces are required for the whole that is the PDP, but impact
>     on the NCC isn't he focus right now.
>     
>     Thanks,
>     
>     Brian
>     Co-Chair, RIPE AA-WG
>     
>     Brian Nisbet
>     Network Operations Manager
>     HEAnet CLG, Ireland's National Education and Research Network
>     1st Floor, 5 George's Dock, IFSC, Dublin D01 X8N7, Ireland
>     +35316609040 brian.nisbet at heanet.ie www.heanet.ie
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>     
>     On 13/09/2017 12:29, Suresh Ramasubramanian wrote:
>     > As a rough indication of the impact, how many ASNs are going to be
>     > affected by this move?  Has any study been made on the number of ASNs
>     > with such invalid contact information in abuse-c, and are they
>     > concentrated anywhere in particular such as on specific ISPs?
>     > 
>     >  
>     > 
>     > If the objections to this proposal were not made on philosophical
>     > grounds, and made with loud protestations that the impact on RIPE NCC
>     > staffing resources would be too great, without actually making such
>     > assessments and seeing the data on who would actually be negatively
>     > impacted by this proposal ..
>     > 
>     >  
>     > 
>     > TL;DR – what data do we have available?
>     > 
>     >  
>     > 
>     > --srs
>     > 
>     >  
>     > 
>     > *From: *anti-abuse-wg <anti-abuse-wg-bounces at ripe.net> on behalf of
>     > Andreas Worbs <anw at artfiles.de>
>     > *Organization: *Artfiles New Media GmbH
>     > *Date: *Wednesday, 13 September 2017 at 3:52 PM
>     > *To: *<anti-abuse-wg at ripe.net>
>     > *Subject: *Re: [anti-abuse-wg] 2017-02 New Policy Proposal (Regular
>     > abuse-c Validation)
>     > 
>     >  
>     > 
>     > I support this proposal, it's a good step in the right direction. Valid
>     > contact (incl abuse-c) information is necessary for such a database.
>     > 
>     > Also a validation of the abuse-c should be made with the resource
>     > registration for new resources.
>     > 
>     > Furthermore i don't know why some guys think a resource will be
>     > deregistered right after the resource is tagged as invalid. The proposal
>     > is obviuos
>     > 
>     >     /In cases where the “abuse-mailbox:” contact attribute is invalid,
>     >     the RIPE NCC will follow up with the resource holder and attempt to
>     >     correct the issue./
>     > 
>     > So there are some more steps before it will be deregistered, so cool down.
>     > 
>     >  
>     > 
>     > Am 07.09.17 um 13:59 schrieb Marco Schmidt:
>     > 
>     >     Dear colleagues,
>     > 
>     >      
>     > 
>     >     A new RIPE Policy proposal, 2017-02, "Regular abuse-c Validation", is now available for discussion.
>     > 
>     >      
>     > 
>     >     The goal of this proposal is to give the RIPE NCC a mandate to regularly validate "abuse-c:" information
>     > 
>     >     and to follow up in cases where contact information is found to be invalid.
>     > 
>     >      
>     > 
>     >     You can find the full proposal at:
>     > 
>     >     https://www.ripe.net/participate/policies/proposals/2017-02
>     > 
>     >      
>     > 
>     >     As per the RIPE Policy Development Process (PDP), the purpose of this four-week Discussion Phase
>     > 
>     >     is to discuss the proposal and provide feedback to the proposer.
>     > 
>     >      
>     > 
>     >     At the end of the Discussion Phase, the proposer, with the agreement of the RIPE Working Group Chairs,
>     > 
>     >     decides how to proceed with the proposal.
>     > 
>     >      
>     > 
>     >     We encourage you to review this proposal and send your comments to
>     > 
>     >     <anti-abuse-wg at ripe.net> <mailto:anti-abuse-wg at ripe.net> before 6 October 2017.
>     > 
>     >      
>     > 
>     >     Kind regards,
>     > 
>     >      
>     > 
>     >     Marco Schmidt
>     > 
>     >     Policy Development Officer
>     > 
>     >     RIPE NCC
>     > 
>     >      
>     > 
>     >     Sent via RIPE Forum -- https://www.ripe.net/participate/mail/forum
>     > 
>     >      
>     > 
>     > 
>     > 
>     > -- 
>     > 
>     > Kind regards
>     > 
>     >  
>     > 
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