[anti-abuse-wg] Abuse: Too big to fail

On Mon, 19 Jun 2017 17:15:35 +0200
Volker Greimann <vgreimann at key-systems.net> wrote:

Hi Volker :)

> It seems there is a definition issue here. I am sure Twitter does not 
> intentionally spam its users, but many users that receive messages
> from Twitter think of these as spam.
> 
Not to be pedantic, but as Twitter is aware of their abuse and does not
do anything to stop it - Twitter does intentionally spam and enable
criminals.

The emails are sent from Twitter infrastructure, so therefore = Twitter.

As Twitter ignores and refuses abuse reports, this indicates non
willingness to cease abuse, investigate abuse and stop enabling
criminals.

And Twitter abuse is ongoing...

They are multiple repeat offenders that are 'special' spammers.

 
> What is probably true:
> 
> - Real spammers may be abusing the infrastructure offered by Twitter
> to spam and Twitter is unable/unwilling to take action to stop this
> 

Twitter are 'real' spammers :)

and yes, their infrastructure enables many other nefarious creatures.

> - Twitter account holders have their settings set up that they
> receive too many notifications that they do not really want.
> Solving the second is easy: Just change your notification settings.
> 
none of the thousands of abuse I see are from any real people...
so, non relevant, in my case :)

personally I do have a Twitter account and have nothing personal
against or for Twitter. I have no agenda or anything other than to
simply state that there are multinationals that are evil and to point
out that playing fields are not level...


> Volker
> 
> PS: It may be helpful to say exactly which messages you consider spam 
> instead of opening up with the big guns right away but without 
> sufficient detail to verify your claims.
> 

Emails to trusted spamtraps - are spam

Emails to stolen data - is criminal activity & also spam

Emails to non existent people at non existent email addresses - is
spam/abuse

Emails continuing after requests to stop - is spam/abuse 

Forever 'confirmation emails' (as in more than 10) - is spam/abuse

Andre

> 
> Am 19.06.2017 um 17:08 schrieb ox:
> > If I do actually look at the abuse lists that list the spammer,
> > Twitter
> > - they are sorbs, etc and have a reputation for ethical behavior..
> >
> > What is interesting is how you & michele defend the spammer
> >
> > One has to wonder whether it is because the fact that Twitter is an
> > evil spammer hurts you guys personally?
> >
> > Or if you are products (have twitter etc) accounts and the truth
> > hurts?
> >
> > If you love the Twitter spammer that much, why do you not try to
> > get the spammer to change their evil ways? Instead of trying to
> > make it about a quarter of all the rbl's being useless, etc.
> >
> > or just plain stupid and obviously false claims that Twitter never
> > sends spam.
> >
> > Andre
> >
> > On Mon, 19 Jun 2017 14:53:07 +0000
> > Suresh Ramasubramanian <ops.lists at gmail.com> wrote:
> >  
> >> On 19/06/17, 8:20 PM, "anti-abuse-wg on behalf of ox"
> >> <anti-abuse-wg-bounces at ripe.net on behalf of andre at ox.co.za> wrote:
> >>
> >>      And, apart from the fact that 25% of all spam lists does in
> >> fact list Twitter as a spammer
> >>
> >> Sturgeon’s law manifests itself all the time. eg: the number of
> >> weird and wonderful blocklists used by maybe two men and their
> >> dog, the population of cranks on the Internet…
> >>
> >> --srs
> >>  
> >  
>