[anti-abuse-wg] Fwd: Re: RBL policy

Hello,

@Sven Olaf:
Please stop using this type of offensive language!
This is a public mailinglist and not a place for you to rant and attack in
the way you are at the moment.

So step back for a minute, take a deep breath and calm down!

And if you feel you can send a message without using this type of language,
feel free to do so, otherwise stay away!

If you have any questions, feel free to reach out to me directly.

Thanks,

Tobias

-- 
​RIPE Anti Abuse Working Group Co-Chair


​

On Mon, Jan 30, 2017 at 1:46 PM, HRH Prince Sven Olaf von CyberBunker <
svenk at xs4all.nl> wrote:

> btw it would be of great assistance in this matter if transit carriers,
> simply, only HAD asn's and no ip prefixes that can be used as a
> blackmailing vector. don't quite see why everyone combines the 'isp' part
> with the 'transit providing' part of their operations. parties that provide
> transit, have no need for ip space (bgp sessions are better on 10.0.0.0/8
> anyway, prevents attack from 'outside'). if there are no ip's there is
> nothing idiots like spamhaus (so far they are the only ones) can
> 'blacklist' to 'build up pressure' to breach contracts. so just split up
> those operations.
>
> On 30 ينا, 2017 م 12:32, HRH Prince Sven Olaf von CyberBunker wrote:
>
> customer wants to send packets from ip A to ip b... did they arrive? ->
> yes. we did our job. no -> we did not do our job. i can't quite see why we
> would even need to know what 'smtp' is. nor any of the other obscure shit
> protocols out there.
>
> On 30 ينا, 2017 م 12:30, HRH Prince Sven Olaf von CyberBunker wrote:
>
> content. is NEVER. network-related-abuse.
>
> 'making more use of a mail protocol that in every other way is used as
> intended' is also not 'network-related-abuse' in fact it's not abuse at
> all. it's like tv advertisements.
>
> 'malware and virusses' all simply exploit the same old services 'provided'
> by crappy windows malware, which should get some import restrictions, and
> the problem is solved ay. it's windows itself that is the malware there...
>
> 'phishing'... so you're saying your bank login procedure sucks balls
> and/or you think 16 numbers on the front and 3 top secret ones on the back
> of a plastic card people show in every restaurant they go to are 'security'
> - go fix your own crap and stop bothering us, we forward -packets-. we
> don't have time to hunt ghosts for your broken financial services.
>
> 'announcing the whole god damn internet split up into /24s'.. - yes ..
> that's 'abuse'. lol.
>
> and either way... if someone doesn't like what someone else is doing they
> can take them to the -appropriate- courts (of the other party) and try to
> get them to stop... blackmailing the sales department of the transit
> carriers of their supplier of their supplier of their supplier, will only
> make them change isps, cause financial loss (or gains: setup fees), etc.
>
> so far all spamhaus has ever established is:
>
> - a whole lot of unroutable/unsellable/unusable ipv4 'burned' ranges.
>
> - smtp is no longer peer to peer (their bashing on open relays)
>
> - smtp is no longer real time (graylisting)
>
> - smtp is no longer reliable (with over 20 million ip addresses listed
> despite there only being 300k mailservers in the world, no wonder!)
>
> so instead of stopping spam, they managed to kill of smtp. congratulations.
>
> everyone now uses skype and facebook (which are real-time and do have
> friends-lists) lolol. you have succeeded in bringing microsoft and facebook
> users to spy on. well done.
>
> if smtp is 'getting less' that is only because it has no users left.
> people only start it up to read ripe mailinglists (lol) or sign up for
> habbo hotel. FACT. lol.
>
> none of our customers has ever sent UCE from our networks... because...
> ever since 2004... we have simply blocked port 25... smtp only causes
> -shit- and it -delivers shit- (abusemail and 'legal' threats about shit
> that is not our problem). we sure as hell have some customers that cause
> 'shit' but they usually do it in somewhat more profitable markets than
> sending 'spam' and most definately can buy a tv station or 2 to do their
> advertisements on. tyvm spamhaus. lol.
>
> where this 'mytical' spammer that can pay our 1000-1500 euros per month
> per server would come from, i don't know, i certainly have never met any...
> i tried to invoice one 60k once and he backed off already. poor spammers.
> they're like child porn people. can't pay for anything, so not an urgent
> issue at all.
>
> our customers frequently have the entire fucking cia rolling over their
> doorstep and if it's not them its the god damn copyright mafia. slightly
> different budgetarial picture there. shit that -is- worth the trouble.
>
> now, please take your shitty nagging about 'abuse' of your crappy silly
> old smtp protocol, which doesn't even -originate- from our networks in the
> first fucking place, and stick it where the sun doesn't shine... as for
> malware... windows is the malware there... it facilitates all the programs
> residing on top of the same old 1990s badly implemented os/2 ripoff crap.
> so basically call mickeysoft and ask them to fix the bugs they all exploit,
> or call the european commission and impose trade bans against microsoft.
> simple enough.
>
> On 30 ينا, 2017 م 12:13, HRH Prince Sven Olaf von CyberBunker wrote:
>
> advertising the sale of : viagra, sex slaves, ak47s, porn of any kind,
> human trafficing services, specific animals, cocain, data obtained through
> espionage, encryption technology, vpns, gay propaganda, military
> propaganda, etc is subject to applicable local law (if any, and if there is
> none, it's perfectly fine)... not 'spamhaus policies' as spamhaus is not
> supposed to be 'the internet government'. even if they think they should be.
>
> if the uk wants to keep certain products from entering 'their' territory
> (and in doing so limit the freedom of their own stakeholders/tax payers)
> that is up to them others choose not to work against their own
> stakeholders/tax payers that way. they have a customs department to keep
> said products outside. can't tell others not to produce or sell or
> advertise it. setting up dirty front operations like 'spamhaus' to lure
> naive nerds into the illusion that they would be 'fighting spam' is a very
> nasty thing to do. geo-political wise and business wise.
>
> now... in thailand porn is illegal... so... let's disconnect all porn
> sites because thailand wants us to, oh but wait, thailand doesn't have a
> 'spamhaus' thinking they rule the entire internet through means of
> blackmail and calling people 'spammers' or 'spam supporters'.
>
> what also works, besides blackmailing with committing computer sabotage
> against the sales department of suppliers of suppliers of suppliers of the
> publisher of a website, are: assassins, commandos, carpet bombing, agent
> orange. etc... all of which should be deployed against spamhaus if you ask
> me. :P but a nullroute would suffice. lol. after all bgp is an 'advisory'
> to 'voluntary peers' and 'we don't block anything' as they themselves
> always say.
>
> On 30 ينا, 2017 ص 11:29, Esa Laitinen wrote:
>
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> On Mon, Jan 30, 2017 at 12:19 PM HRH Prince Sven Olaf von CyberBunker <
> svenk at xs4all.nl> wrote:
>
>> also it's quite vague that when some mossadis rent servers and run an
>> espionage botnet on it (which we happily intercept ourselves ofcourse) -
>> spamhaus somehow magically never lists -that-.. just
>>
>>
>>
> Looking at the amusing rant of Sven Olaf, it seems that the listing works!
>
> Keep up the good work, spamhaus et al!
>
> esa
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