[anti-abuse-wg] DNS Abuse, Abuse of Privacy & Legitimizing Criminal Activity

Hmm, that was not the objective. 

When respected Internet Engineers and organizations develop standards
for Internet software that completely ignores ethics, morality,
honesty and is pale and anemic in the truth department?

Then, further, when these standards will serve to enslave us in the
future and serve to destroy openness, truth and ubuntu 

Is that bashing abuse tech?

It is not a tech problem, it is not about the "use of abuse tech" 

If you use a script to hack web servers as your clients has lost their
passwords and it is extremely useful to be able to hack into webservers

Is it about the script? the tech? not so much.

I strongly object to RPZ being peddled as a "standard" by the Internet Community.

I do not object to people using RPZ, as I also do not object to you
using or distributing any hacking software.

BUT, there is a bigger picture here:

RPZ will destroy the Internet - people are lazy (i am lazy also) 
We will use RPZ and we will abuse it

So, just as the DNS Ops want to "protect" their "users" by lying and
lying about their lies, so I Wand to protect the DNS Ops from themselves!

Quite obviously we, as an Internet Community, already no longer cares
much about the truth of something, which is also why we live in a
post-truth planet. 

But, this does not mean that we all like lying, falsehoods and making
fake shit up, promoting evil, deciding non moral non ethical standards
and supporting non ethical interoperability compromises in the name of
simply being water (following the path of least resistance)

Suresh, how can one communicate this better? That it is not about
bashing the tech, the tech should NOT be a standard, not just because it
is immoral, but also because it is pure evil.

Surely the "new normal" is not for us to simply accept that it is okay
to do evil and use the excuse of fighting evil, to do that evil
ourselves? 

Maybe a civilization argument? Instead of truth, honesty, ethics and
morality?

We are a civil society? so we should be civilized? (and not beat each
other with clubs, caveman style?)

Andre 





On Wed, 04 Jan 2017 11:06:04 +0530
Suresh Ramasubramanian <ops.lists at gmail.com> wrote:

> Yes – I can clearly see that in this screed, post truth, facts not
> mattering as long as there is spin and such.
> 
> You are bashing tech when you should be targeting its misuse.
> 
> --srs
> 
> On 04/01/17, 10:30 AM, "ox" <andre at ox.co.za> wrote:
> 
>     Hello Suresh,
>     
>     Whether this wg makes any difference, or not, is completely up to
> each and every one of us.
>     
>     It is Simon's choice to simply say that the fact that the Internet
>     Standards promote fraud, is "my position" 
>     
>     We live in a post-truth era.
>     
>     Facts do not matter so much anymore if the spin is good.
> 
> 
> 
>