[anti-abuse-wg] an ISP can't do anything?

Hi Suresh

Thanks for that. I can live with a mail server that is only randomly 
blocked by a few organisations. I was looking for a mail service that I 
can use that works with the RIPE NCC's mail server. It seems yahoo, 
gmail and microsoft mail servers have variable success with these 
mailing lists. Sometimes I post and many list members reject my mails 
because of DMARC policies. As I don't have a corporate email address I 
have limited options.

cheers
denis

On 2017-02-20 15:54, Suresh Ramasubramanian wrote:
> Datev.de isn’t even an ISP it looks like a software firm to me – that
> provides software products for law firms, tax planners and such
> 
> My guess is a local block on their mailserver for xs4all.nl for
> whatever reason.   The only individual from there subscribed to the
> list – from searching the archives superficially so I could be wrong –
> is Andreas Schulze andreas.schulze at datev.de 
> 
> What xs4all is telling you is correct, there’s absolutely nothing they
> can do about some individual deciding to block whatever he wants on a
> mailserver that he controls.  Large ISPs have users they are
> answerable to.  IT firms on the other hand are shielded from their
> actual users (unless the users substantially outrank them) by “blocked
> due to corporate policies” – and such blocking can be surprisingly
> overbroad and with little or no redress, because the team that
> operates it does not consider a postmaster role all that necessary.
> 
> --srs
> 
> From: denis <ripedenis at yahoo.co.uk>
> Date: Monday, 20 February 2017 at 6:36 AM
> To: Suresh Ramasubramanian <ops.lists at gmail.com>, denis 
> <ripedenis at xs4all.nl>
> Cc: <anti-abuse-wg at ripe.net>
> Subject: Re: [anti-abuse-wg] an ISP can't do anything?
> 
> Hi Suresh
> I was replying to a message on the DB-WG and got this response:
> The message could not be delivered, the mail server at
> idvmailin04.datev.com [193.27.49.132] said:
> <<< 554 5.7.1 Service unavailable; Sender address
> [ripedenis at xs4all.nl] blocked using dbl.webradar.datev.de; gesperrt
> vom DATEV WebRadar, http://webradar.datev.de/lookup?domain=xs4all.nl,
> servertime=Feb 20 02:16:47, server=idvmailin04.datev.com,
> client=194.109.24.26
> cheers
> denis
> 
> On 20/02/2017 14:58, Suresh Ramasubramanian wrote:
> On 20-Feb-2017, at 2:22 AM, denis <ripedenis at xs4all.nl> wrote:
> It seems like XS4ALL is not able to do anything about being
> blacklisted. Obviously the message about handling abuse is not getting
> through....
> It would help if you posted just what bounce and from where.  XS4all
> has historically been quite proactive about abuse handling.