[anti-abuse-wg] WG Chair Mailing List Decision

On any mailing list it is not acceptable to reply to yourself. 
https://www.google.com/search?q=netiquette

Multiple times, doing that same unacceptable thing: Is abuse.
(and abusive behavior)

No opinion, simple fact.

This being an abuse discussion list - it is an abuse of an abuse
emailing list :)

Where the abuser is replying to him/her self multiple times and also
proposing that email and smtp is no longer used/in use

Now, that is funny!


On Sat, 18 Feb 2017 05:21:18 +0000
HRH Prince Sven Olaf von CyberBunker <svenk at xs4all.nl> wrote:

> basically, in your logic, all the mpaa has to do is to call the 
> piratebay spammers, and people should start pulling plugs. lol. it's 
> funny how your silly old protocol would have such a 'special status'.
> 
> see the normal procedure for pulling plugs is : go to some applicable 
> court and prove they break some applicable law, also don't forget
> that your problem is with the end-user and their activity, not the
> isp.
> 
> no 'dnsbl's involved in that process anywhere.
> 
> ofcourse, should people do such things to protect against 'spam' they 
> also should protect the population of thailand against porn, and
> protect china against falun gong, and protect the islamic state
> against 'jews and cursader' propaganda. which would mean that on the
> larger picture; there would not be much content left. oh wait i
> forgot to ban the nazis for the communists and the communists for the
> nazis and i didn't even mention to ban everything containing pictures
> of, or advertising dead animals as food for the vegans.
> 
> when we're done with all that, there won't be much internet left.
> 
> sooooo... basically, just fix your protocol. as all that anti-spam
> shit you came up with so far just sums up as : illegal violations of
> net neutrality laws, as well as violating the provider immunity of
> carriers and isps through blackmail and extortion. (yes breach of
> contracts = financial impact = extortion, more so than robbing a
> grandma for $10, as it's usually more like $100k/yr or more +
> manhours)
> 
> also everything 'ip based' you came up with over the past decades,
> just fucked up the reliability and speed of smtp and made the entire
> userbase switch to skype and facebook. i'm sure mickeysoft and
> suckerberg thank you for that. lol.
> 
> should you need some consultancy on how to re-design smtp, my hourly 
> tariff starts at EUR 2500.-/hr. quite sure you can find someone
> cheaper by outsourcing it... i just give you advise for free because
> YOU LOT ARE A PAIN IN THE FUCKING ASS with your constant nagging
> about what-goes-on-within a CONCEPT protocol from the 1960s.
> 
> 
> On 18 فبر, 2017 ص 05:07, HRH Prince Sven Olaf von CyberBunker wrote:
> > btw congratutions to all of you that tried to censor me for showing 
> > such a complete lack of understanding of the antigue (And very
> > simple, compared to habbo or skype) protocol you are trying to
> > 'protect' that you clearly can't even figure out how to stop
> > someone from receiving mailman (an open source project, and one of
> > the most simpler programs out there, working on one of the most
> > simplest protocols ever) messages... nice try tho.
> >
> > makes clear why in 40 years you never managed to get something as 
> > simple as a friends list in your protocol of choice. you clearly
> > can't even configure some open source software to your wishes.
> >
> > the incompetence is showing through on all levels.
> >
> > may we remind you that you're talking to the guy that made angela 
> > merkel's email route over north korea. tyvm. (my guess is that is
> > why the occupational forces of former germany are kinda pissed off
> > with me but so be it ;) lol.
> >
> >
> > On 18 فبر, 2017 ص 05:03, HRH Prince Sven Olaf von CyberBunker wrote:
> >> also, spam is not an actual 'problem'... unless you also block tv 
> >> stations that have advertisements...
> >>
> >> which is about, all of them, if the bbc does not have such in such
> >> a direct way, they hide their propaganda as 'news' but it's still
> >> there.
> >>
> >> On 18 فبر, 2017 ص 05:01, HRH Prince Sven Olaf von CyberBunker
> >> wrote:
> >>> whereas spamhaus and co keep claiming to 'fight spam' the
> >>> statistics on their listing speak books...
> >>>
> >>> it's more like 'fighting the sale of trademark infringing goods
> >>> as by the definitions of the uk'
> >>>
> >>> 'fighting the spread of spied-upon military and diplomatic
> >>> secrets of the uk and it's allies' etc.
> >>>
> >>> all of that while pretending it's spam or 'spam supporters'. that 
> >>> wikileaks listing was not an accident but a regular occurence in
> >>> the statistics (yes spamhaus, we can scrape and datamine too ;)
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On 18 فبر, 2017 ص 04:59, HRH Prince Sven Olaf von CyberBunker
> >>> wrote:
> >>>> now why the crap would someone try to 'circumvent' tons of 
> >>>> mechanisms etc and hire servers at companies that 'don't ask 
> >>>> questions' but DO send appropriate invoices (by lack of much 
> >>>> competion -with balls- ;)... when they can just buy google
> >>>> adwords for far less, which does get around a 1:1000 SIGNUP
> >>>> rate... (never mind the clickthrough rate ;)...
> >>>>
> >>>> or for the same price, just get targetted tv advertisements, 
> >>>> really, the only people i see that would still in their right
> >>>> mind send out smtp spam, are the people pretending to 'fight' it
> >>>> as an excuse to keep their political trade policy censorship
> >>>> tool supported by the naive nerds.
> >>>>
> >>>> On 18 فبر, 2017 ص 04:56, HRH Prince Sven Olaf von CyberBunker
> >>>> wrote:
> >>>>> btw notice that i can safely say such things, as none of our 
> >>>>> clients are 'spammers'... for the simple reason; the fictional
> >>>>> guy that would make millions on 'spamming' is a myth kept alive
> >>>>> by self-declared 'non profit anti-spam organisations' that
> >>>>> de-facto are just political cyber sabotage groups to get
> >>>>> content and even entire providers abroad shut down by naive
> >>>>> nerds without court orders... by just shouting 'spam' alot, and
> >>>>> therefore, also the most likely suspect to be sending out that
> >>>>> spam, as real life advertisers, would consider the very low
> >>>>> clickthrough rate of smtp (as seriously, it's really just you
> >>>>> guys still using it, the rest of the world takes a fresh
> >>>>> prepaid sim and creates a new gmail account every time a signup
> >>>>> is needed on some silly website that won't take sms messages
> >>>>> directly ;) - and at that, signups, and ripe, are the only
> >>>>> remaing legitimate use of smtp. nobody in the world still uses
> >>>>> that for actual communications.... getting a reaction from
> >>>>> let's say the german government or the belgium toll road
> >>>>> company over smtp takes... 3-4 months... by fax machine both
> >>>>> take less than 1 day. (in as far as we don't just have people
> >>>>> there in skype ;)
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On 18 فبر, 2017 ص 04:50, HRH Prince Sven Olaf von CyberBunker
> >>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>> spam... was stopped... a looong time ago... as in, i have not 
> >>>>>> seen any (persistent) spam that lasted longer than... on
> >>>>>> second thought... 'delete contact' on any other protocol ;)
> >>>>>> the only place where it continues to exist, is YOUR protocol.
> >>>>>> so the way to stop it is to do the same. hire some developers
> >>>>>> and adjust the RFC and software of smtp to get a friends list
> >>>>>> and 'contact requests'. it fixes things.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> YOUR approach however is more like the 'prohibition' in the
> >>>>>> usa of the 1920s. it never stopped anyone from getting drunk,
> >>>>>> it did however facilitate al-capone.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> which is the thing that should have stopped to exist in 2017.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> (probably it already should have stopped to exist in 1993 ;)
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On 18 فبر, 2017 ص 04:02, ox wrote:
> >>>>>>> On Fri, 17 Feb 2017 16:22:55 +0000
> >>>>>>> HRH Prince Sven Olaf von CyberBunker <svenk at xs4all.nl> wrote:
> >>>>>>>> as for droning on... so far, this mailinglist, for the past 
> >>>>>>>> month or
> >>>>>>>> so has been:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> and 1 mail: law enforcement requests to the ripe ncc (a
> >>>>>>>> total of 4 in
> >>>>>>>> 2016) - no replies whatsoever to that one.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> then more: spam spam spam spam spam.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> funny...
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Actually no. Spam is a problem of many decades. It is a
> >>>>>>> higher level
> >>>>>>> service and SHOULD NOT EXIST in 2017.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> The simple and salient truth is:  If spam abuse is stopped
> >>>>>>> then everything else falls into place.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> If you cannot route/deliver/accept email - Even if you are a 
> >>>>>>> Tier 1 or Google.com
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> You are screwed.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Of course, other abuse issues, as below my name, are just as 
> >>>>>>> important
> >>>>>>> and are also frequently discussed...
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> my 2c
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Andre
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> cuz we thought it should be more like 'ddos ddos ddos'
> >>>>>>>> 'hijacked prefix' 'ddos' 'mass hack' 'ddos' 'someone
> >>>>>>>> switched off the electricity' 'someone cut some
> >>>>>>>> fibers'...'spamhaus illegally scraped
> >>>>>>>> the ripe db for memberdata to blackmail them with on their 
> >>>>>>>> criminal
> >>>>>>>> slander site' 'the americans illegally 'seized' 20000
> >>>>>>>> domains that are not even in their territory and it's time
> >>>>>>>> to move icann out of the usa for that reason' -that's
> >>>>>>>> network abuse- spam is not. (and the
> >>>>>>>> latter only if we consider ripe and it's db a part of the
> >>>>>>>> network itself)
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>
> >
>