[anti-abuse-wg] Bringing Law Enforcement Into the RIPE Community

On Tue, Aug 01, 2017 at 06:31:07PM +0200, Sander Steffann wrote:
>If you dislike the engagement that RIPE NCC has with external organisations (see https://www.ripe.net/about-us/what-we-do/engagement-external-organisations) then the RIPE NCC General Meeting and/or exec-board at ripe.net seem the appropriate places to provide feedback. I don't think the RIPE anti-abuse working group is the right place for that.


As far as the actions of the NCC board go ,you're right, that
should go to members-discuss (Not to the board, I want to see
some debate on this, not some boilerplate from the board).

The article originally linked by Brian does mix the RIPE
community and the RIPE NCC though, even more so as the author
seems confused about who he speaks for:

"Nine years later, I'm working for the RIPE NCC's External
Relations team to bring the RIPE community and the LEA community
closer together."

On the RIPE community side, I find these statements problematic:

"[LEAs] also have a right to help shape RIPE Policy using the
Policy Development Process."

They do? My understanding of the PDP is that *individuals* make
policy proposals and *individuals* discuss them. Is this no
longer the case? Is RIPE policy now made by lobby groups and other
"interested" organisations? And, yes, I am aware that individuals
may be fronting for an organisation, this does not, in my
understanding, mean their voice carries any more weight.

"Part of my job is to help LEAs understand this process and how 
their suggestions on changing policy would impact the broader 
RIPE community, such as making changes to the RIPE Database, 
for example, that would make it easier for them to find the 
closest service provider to an end user engaged in criminal
activity. This isn't special treatment, though âthe RIPE NCC 
also helps governments, network operators, banks, business 
owners or anyone else interested in submitting a policy 
proposal do these things as well. It's part of our job as
the RIPE secretariat."

I was under the impression that this is the function of the NCC
Impact Statement within the PDP. Neither does ripe-642 mention
any discussions with or "help" from the NCC  prior to the working
group process. Perhaps someone can amplify on this?

rgds,
Sascha Luck