[anti-abuse-wg] Definition of Internet Abuse * pre-final

Am 31.08.2016 um 06:35 schrieb Marilson:
> On Aug 29, 2016 Andre Coetzee wrote:
>> 2. I do not understand Marilson's objections - apparently if someone
>> steals your pc it is Internet abuse, I eventually thought he meant that
>> the computer was stolen and used to send spam, --> but the definition
>> works for that, he agreed the definition stands...,
>> but then he seems to say that it does not? for an unknown and
>> non specific reason except that it may or may not include defining
>> "theft"
>  
> Definitions Endless

Yes, but not in a helpful way..
The whole concept of these "resources" is fruitless and will not
bring us anywhere.

Let's see the definition posted so far:
(1) Resource
Any Internet Resource

which means:
1) what is "recursive"?
  Answer: see 1)

The posted suggestion of "abuse" currently does not even fit for
the case where several (more than two) "resources" are involved.
If a spam-email is received - what is the resource beeing abused?
(the definiion speaks of "one") The Zombie-Bot sending the email?
The credentials used for sending? The mailserver used for sending?
The upstream providers involved? The brand which was phished? The
receiver who reads (or reads not) the mail? The Mailprovider giving
storage? The abuse-team which might investigate? And so on..

In the end it is "humans" who are abused; the provider can act
only if that kind of abuse is then somehow published in its AUPs.
So they should contain some broad terms which might be interpreted
by a reasonable abuse department. At least a violation of the local
laws should be included, so that a contract can be cancelled or
other actions be taken. And yes, if there are new forms of misuse
(abuse) not covered by the AUPs, then the AUPs have to be changed.

In the end, all anti-abuse decisions must be that good that the could
stand a trial; If sending spam is allowed in a country/at a provider
then it is hard to take countermeasures.

So..suggestion: abuse somehow is the violation of local laws and AUPs of
the involved providers. (Someone might want to finalize that in correct
english)
We might come here to a majority decision; I don't want to argue
on Andre`s resources again..


> Marilson

best greetings,
Gunther


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