[anti-abuse-wg] Definition of Abuse

In message <8dc16595-db14-e04f-9b72-c02c03673f28 at ripe.net>, 
Ingrid Wijte <ingrid at ripe.net> wrote:

>We would just like to highlight that the prefixes you have listed are 
>all inetnum objects with the status “ASSIGNED PA”. This means they were 
>distributed by one of our members from their allocation to another party.
>
>The RIPE NCC performs due diligence on the organisations that we 
>directly distribute resources to (our members*). Our members are 
>responsible for performing similar due diligence checks on their 
>customers.

Yes.  Thank you for that additional useful and pertinent clarification.

Unfortunately, although, as you have accurately noted, it is the individual
LIR(s) in this specific case (i.e. "Icenetworks Ltd." aka "OrangewebSite")
that are, formally speaking, responsible for performing due diligence on
those other entities to which they provide number resources, I wonder
if you might also be able to clarify for me exactly how any one of
RIPE NCC's subserviant LIRs either can or may accomplish that task in
any sort of a meaningful way. specifically in cases where the number
resource assignee purports to be a Belizian corporate entity.

I confess that this part still mystifies me.  But perhaps I am just
missing something obvious.

As I've mentioned on this (AAWG) mailing list recently the department
of the Belize government which is responsible for corporations does
not appear to publish or make available any sort of registry of even
the names of actual Belize companies.  Also, that same Belize government
department does not even appear to respond to email inquiries.

These facts leave one to wonder how RIPE NCC LIR member Advania AB
either did perform, or even how it could have performed _any_ form of
due diligence on the purported Belizian legal entity Icenetworks, Ltd...
an entity whose very existance it seems, cannot be verified in any
meaningful way.

Do either RIPE NCC and/or RIPE NCC LIR members, such as Advania AB have
some sort of secret magic code or password or back-door method by which
they are able to obtain corporate information from the government of
Belize which, it seems, ordinary mortals cannot?

Assuming not, then I remain utterly perplexed about what sort of due
diligence Advania AB either did perform, or even what sorts of due
diligence Advania even could have performed with respect to Icenetworks,
Ltd., given the utter and total lack of information available about
Belize companies generally.

If you can clarify, that would be much appreciated.


Regards,
rfg