[anti-abuse-wg] Definition of Abuse

On Tue, 16 Aug 2016 14:38:49 +0200
David Hilario <fransossen at hotmail.com> wrote:
<snip>
> And when it comes to the definition discussed in this thread:
> >     "The non sanctioned use of a resource to infringe upon the
> > usage rights of another resource"
> 
> The RIPE NCC has also been quite active in that aspect too:
> https://www.ripe.net/publications/docs/ripe-662#----1-1-registry-maintenance-----strategic-focus-point-2016
> 
Thank you for highlighting that "abuse" is decreasing. But,
unfortunately, I do not know what abuse is, yet.

I want to distinguish between crime and abuse. this will make it easier
in the future for Law enforcement, Prosecutors, Courts and society to
understand that : Joe hijacked an IP range and this could be a crime, 
not just "abuse" 

For one, I do not agree that unauthorized access is abuse (yet) I think
it may be a crime in many countries, it may not be allowed in terms of
each of our 'terms & conditions' of our own offerings or products and it
is not tolerated, loved or even appreciated in any sane society, but is
is not abuse.

Abuse itself, as a word in the English language is to "use something to
bad effect or; 
to use something for bad purpose or;
 the improper use of something or;  
treating something poorly or badly, 

not breaking into something
or stealing and/or hijacking something

When you steal/hijack something and then use that for abuse, that
becomes abuse.  

If you just steal something, it is a crime called theft, which I am
sure is illegal almost everywhere (afaik)

Maybe you can help, David? 

When RIPE investigates "abuse" what are they investigating? Crimes? 
Criminal activity? Fraud? or actual abuse?

Andre



> "1.1.6 Internet Number Resource Investigations, and Dispute and
> Hijacking Handling
> 
> Status: Decreasing  
> 
> Measurable usage: The RIPE NCC has investigated  252 potential
> hijacks since 2012. From 1 July 2014 to 30 June 2015 the RIPE NCC
> handled 85 investigations. The RIPE NCC received and investigated 572
> abuse reports from 1 July 2014 2014 to 30 June 2015."
> 
> 
> 
> Cheers,
> David
> 
> 
> > --srs
> > 
> > 
> > On 15/08/16, 8:56 PM, "anti-abuse-wg on behalf of ox"
> > <anti-abuse-wg-bounces _at_ ripe _dot_ net on behalf of andre _at_
> > ox.co _dot_ za> wrote:
> > 
> >     Unauthorized access is NOT ABUSE, in terms of the current
> > definition: 
> >     "The non sanctioned use of a resource to infringe upon the
> > usage rights of another resource"
> >     
> >     And, this is the crux of it all, this defining of "abuse" is
> > exactly why we require a definition.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> 
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