[anti-abuse-wg] Russian carding... no, Islandic carding... no Belizian carding!

In message <20160812114642.GO862 at cilantro.c4inet.net>, 
"Sascha Luck [ml]" <aawg at c4inet.net> wrote:

rfg>How was the WHOIS record for the 82.221.130.64/26 block entered into
rfg>the RIPE WHOIS data base?  Who entered it?...
>
>since the object is protected by MNT-ADVANIA, one can assume that
>it was created by ORG-Sh2-RIPE. (In realiter, it could be anyone
>who knows the maintainer password)

Ok, so if we make the generous assumption that Advania has not been
stupid enough to have been phished out of their maintainer password,
then we can say that Advania is the specific entity that has placed
the fradulent WHOIS record for the 82.221.130.64/26 block into the
RIPE data base, thereby effectively committing fraud against RIPE NCC
and indeed against the entire RIPE community.  (Note:  That was not
a question.)

So, Sasha, which of the many possible sanctions you've claimed that RIPE
has in its arsenal will now be deployed against Advania and when will
that application of sanctions occur?

>http://lmgtfy.com/?q=ripe+ncc+complaint
>
>the top result...

Thank you Sasha. That "top result" of that google search is certainly
interesting reading too, but I find the number 4 search result in this
case to be even rather more interesting and relevant:

   [members-discuss] Complaints against LIRs ignored by NCC
   https://www.ripe.net/ripe/mail/archives/members-discuss/2013-November/001382.html

It's certainly wonderful that NCC provides an official-looking form, and
an official-seeming process for registering what you continue to insist
on calling "complaints", but is that all just a charade?  Is that all
just clever window dressing, intended to persuade the rable, the hoy paloy,
and the ordinary community members from rasing too much of a public
stink, even when NCC does the politically most expedient thing and just
files these incoming complaints into the trash bin?

If the process is real, and not just a convenient Potemkin village sort
of charade, then please do tell me, what was the outcome of Mr. Weber's
November 2013 "complaint"?  What actions were taken by NCC as a result of
that?  What sanctions were imposed?  Any?  Any at all?  And how many
months ground past before action was taken?  Justice delayed is justice
denied.

>https://www.ripe.net/publications/docs/ripe-640

Thank you for this link also Sasha.

The above document has the somewhat ominous title of "Closure of Members,
Deregistration of Internet Resources and Legacy Internet Resources."  So
depending on how one counts, that is either two or maybe three different
types of sanctions that can be imposed.

I've already asked here how many times RIPE NCC members have actually
had their memberships terminated, if any.  Nobody knows.  At least
our Chair, Brian, has kindly offered to facilitate the quest for an
answer to that rather basic question, for which I am deeply greatful.

But now there is an additional and second question:  On how many occasions
has RIPE NCC deregistered Internet resources?  I'm guessing that nobody
here knows the answer to that one either.  Is the number of such cases
perhaps -ZERO-?

I don't want to be an undue burden on Brian, but if he can add his weight
to help us ferret out the answer to THAT interesting question also, I
think that would be Good.

It seems to me that the answers to these two questions are central to
the work of this Working Group.  If -in practice- no dues-paying (or
fee-paying) members of RIPE NCC are ever sanctioned in any way, ever,
no matter how over-the-top outrageous their behavior becomes, and no
matter how complete and compelling the documentation of their misdeeds
is, then I think that RIPE NCC should just scrap all of these phony
pretenses, remove the ripe-640 document from the web site, and stop
attempting to delude an entire planet's worth of Internet users into
the false belief that RIPE NCC even has the minimal cajones to restrain
its own members from ripping off and/or committing fraud against even
RIPE itself.


Regards,
rfg