[anti-abuse-wg] Russian carding... no, Islandic carding... no Belizian carding!

I just realised that I am guilty of not communicating properly, and I
do apologise.

simply having a domain name here.it.is  or come.in or about.me or
whatever, and hosting parts of it in the UK, parts of it in Belize,
parts of it in Cuba and some of it in the USA - there is absolutely
nothing wrong with that - it is actually quite normal - no abuse
I do exactly the same thing. for example ox.co.za is in Germany (and in
Canada and elsewhere)

then, the entire Internet is full of 'ironic' content websites.

Just because some website claims to supply live moon dust, or sell
whatever does not make it a crime.

And, just to also complete this idea: If some website or domain is
selling children, endangered species, credit card numbers, etc etc etc
- This is not abuse? - It is crime and/or criminal activity - and has
  to be reported to the relevant authorities - It is not abuse and has
  Zero relevance to an abuse list? 

And, even then, the domain name is not the place to start. One starts
at the IP number - the actual physical location of the crime (and/or
data)

Then, is whatever whomever is doing legal? or illegal.? For example,
many things that are illegal in the West are legal in other parts of
the world. It is perfectly fine to buy a Crocodile in the Congo, but in
the Congo it is very illegal to buy a Bonobo. 

So, these criminal activities are for the various geo areas in terms
of where the servers and operators are - and are criminal - and not
much abuse related, how is RIPE supposed to discuss illegal activities,
there is nothing to discuss - it is crime and has to be prosecuted, if
it is in fact crime and not just ironic content...

my 1c (for clarity)

Andre

 

On Tue, 9 Aug 2016 13:24:39 +0200
andre at ox.co.za wrote:

> 
> Agreed.
> 
> I do not understand what Ronald F. Guilmette is complaining about or
> even what this thread is about...
> 
> I own some and operate many other .com domains, I also operate .me
> (like example https://wishes.me )
> 
> Speaking of which, I recently created this:
> https://about.me/andrecoetzee - kinda cool! no?
> 
> this does not mean that I am pretending to be in Montenegro, just that
> some countries are more open, free and forward thinking and that some 
> domain tld's are suitable for custom type names, for example .is
> and .in and others. 
> 
> So, as I said, I have absolutely no idea what the initial post is even
> about at all, maybe Ronald F. Guilmette can point out the ABUSE that
> will be super helpful and not seem like such a complete waste of time.
> 
> Andre
> 
> On Tue, 9 Aug 2016 13:11:21 +0200
> Volker Greimann <vgreimann at key-systems.net> wrote:
> 
> > Speaking on general terms, not on the specific website, anything
> > you cite could also occur in a legit website. In a globalized world,
> > users are free to deal with any service provider they trust and
> > register domains in any TLD they chose. There is nothing fishy about
> > that per se.
> > 
> > The domain name string you cite is quite a nice string, which
> > probably was not available in many TLDs anymore. Further, the TLD
> > sting. ".is" can be used as a hack as it is an English language
> > word.
> > 
> > Just my 2 cents,
> > 
> > Volker
> > 
> > 
> > Am 09.08.2016 um 05:14 schrieb Ronald F. Guilmette:
> > > https://www.verified.is/   (Gee!  Big surprise!  Russian language
> > > only.) -> .IS = Iceland
> > > 	-> 82.221.130.101
> > >
> > > That site is obviously all written in Russian, but it is resident
> > > on a little /26 IP address block that's pretending to be owned by
> > > a Belizian company.  (See below.)  But of course, it's actually
> > > physically sitting in a data center somewhere in Iceland, and on
> > > an Icelandic AS.
> > >
> > > I am seeing this kind of thing almost every day now... bullshit
> > > domains sitting on bullshit networks, almost always in RIPE IP
> > > space, but all claiming to be in either Belize or UAE.
> > >
> > > I've given up any hope that posting any of this kind of
> > > information here will have any impact on anything, ever.  A part
> > > of me wants to scream "Which part of this repeating pattern do
> > > you folks not understand?" but I know that doing so here is
> > > pointless.  So I'm really only posting this here so that later
> > > on, nobdy can say to me "Gee Ron, why didn't you ever say
> > > anything to anybody about that?"
> > >
> > > I did say something.  In fact I said plenty... about both Belize
> > > and UAE. It's not my fault if everybody with power and influence
> > > within RIPE continued to ignore the now all-too-obvious patterns
> > > because the self- evident truths about what's been going on
> > > doesn't suit their own financial interests.
> > >
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > > rfg
> > >
> > > P.S.  At least the .IS domain administrators are looking at
> > > possibly suspending the doamin name on the grounds that the
> > > registration info "isn't accurate".  I commend them for that.
> > > That's one hell of a lot more than the network operator (AS50613,
> > > Advania) is willing to do. Advania didn't even have the courtesy
> > > to answer my email, even if only to tell me to go pound sand.
> > >
> > > =========================================================================
> > > inetnum:        82.221.130.64 - 82.221.130.127
> > > netname:        ORANGEWEB
> > > descr:          OrangeWebsite.com - Network
> > > org:            ORG-IL351-RIPE
> > > country:        IS
> > > admin-c:        OTD3-RIPE
> > > tech-c:         OTD3-RIPE
> > > status:         ASSIGNED PA
> > > mnt-by:         MNT-ADVANIA
> > > created:        2016-01-27T15:08:11Z
> > > last-modified:  2016-01-27T15:08:11Z
> > > source:         RIPE
> > >
> > > organisation:   ORG-IL351-RIPE
> > > org-name:       Icenetworks Ltd.
> > > org-type:       OTHER
> > > address:        60 Market Square
> > > address:        Belize City, Belize   <== I hope they speak
> > > Russian down there! e-mail:         sales at orangewebsite.com
> > > abuse-c:        OTD3-RIPE
> > > mnt-ref:        MNT-ADVANIA
> > > mnt-by:         MNT-ADVANIA
> > > created:        2014-11-05T10:30:10Z
> > > last-modified:  2014-11-05T10:46:28Z
> > > source:         RIPE
> > >
> > > role:           OrangeWebsite.com Technical Department
> > > address:        OrangeWebsite.com
> > > address:        Klapparstigur 7
> > > address:        101 Reykjavik
> > > address:        Iceland
> > > abuse-mailbox:  abuse at orangewebsite.com
> > > e-mail:         support at orangewebsite.com
> > > admin-c:        AK12182-RIPE
> > > tech-c:         AK12182-RIPE
> > > mnt-by:         MNT-ADVANIA
> > > nic-hdl:        OTD3-RIPE
> > > created:        2013-12-16T09:41:11Z
> > > last-modified:  2013-12-16T09:41:11Z
> > > source:         RIPE
> > >
> > > % Information related to '82.221.128.0/19AS50613'
> > >
> > > route:          82.221.128.0/19
> > > descr:          Advania / Thor Data Center
> > > origin:         AS50613
> > > mnt-by:         THOR-MNT
> > > mnt-lower:      THOR-MNT
> > > created:        2013-07-30T12:15:23Z
> > > last-modified:  2013-07-30T12:15:23Z
> > > source:         RIPE
> > >
> > >
> > 
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