[anti-abuse-wg] WHOIS (AS204224)

Hi Ronald

On 06/11/2015 00:48, Ronald F. Guilmette wrote:
> In message <20151105220739.GW47126 at cilantro.c4inet.net>,
> "Sascha Luck [ml]" <aawg at c4inet.net> wrote:

>
>>
>>>> ... All the mntner object does is grant access to change a
>>>> ripedb object. It says nothing about who operates a resource or
>>>> what they are doing with it.
>>>
>>> The above two sentences are simply and demonstratably false.
>>> I have the evidence to prove both statements false.
>>
>> Please, Ron, RTFM for *once* before throwing accusations about.
>
> It wasn't an "accusation".  I stated a fact.
>
> I'm looking an a number resource which is registered to a bogus entity.
> The mntner object reveals the actual identity of the party currently
> controlling that resource.

Maybe you missed my comment about use of MNTNER objects. You cannot make 
this assumption. The MNTNER object is a box of anonymous tokens. In most 
cases those tokens relate to the holder of the MNTNER object and the 
resources they maintain because most people are open and honest and 
doing things right. But, especially when you have already identified a 
bogus entity, the MNTNER object may be held by someone unrelated to that 
entity or the resources it maintains. Only those anonymous authorisation 
tokens relate to the resource. Nothing in the database Terms & 
Conditions require the holder of that MNTNER object to reveal who sits 
behind an encrypted password in the object. They have not broken the T&C 
by setting the data up in this convoluted way. The data model allows it.

cheers
denis

>
>>> Unfortunately, I am not at liberty to share that evidence just
>>> yet.
>>
>> Ahaha.
>
> Laugh now... while you can.
>
>
> Regards,
> rfg
>