[anti-abuse-wg] WHOIS (AS204224)

On Thu, Nov 05, 2015 at 01:50:37PM -0800, Ronald F. Guilmette wrote:
>It has been well more than just one or two cases, and I suspect
>that you know that.  Only one or two GLARING cases per month
>perhaps, but over time it has added up.

so what? the NCC has 14,000 members (or thereabouts) and there
are however many end-users too. I still maintain that only a
minuscule fraction are criminals.

>I, for one, was not aware that RIPE (or RIPE NCC) required
>businesses to "maintain ALL information about ALL of their
>business relationships in a public database".  If you could
>elaborate, I feel sure that it would be illuminating, for me at
>least.

For any NCC member, you can easily enough derive from the ripedb
who their transits are, who their customers are, who they are
peering with and so on. You won't probably find out who cleans
their toilets but that is not what I meant.

>>... All the mntner object does is grant access to change a
>>ripedb object. It says nothing about who operates a resource or
>>what they are doing with it.
>
>The above two sentences are simply and demonstratably false.
>I have the evidence to prove both statements false.

Please, Ron, RTFM for *once* before throwing accusations about. 
https://www.ripe.net/manage-ips-and-asns/db/support/security/protecting-data

the mntner protects other objects in the database, That is its
*function* 

>Unfortunately, I am not at liberty to share that evidence just
>yet.

Ahaha.

rgds,
Sascha Luck