[anti-abuse-wg] anti-abuse-wg Digest, Vol 48, Issue 24

This conversation has gone far beyond what can be considered acceptable on a community mailing list and far into ad hominem attacks.

This working group and the RIPE community work by consensus. If people have specific suggestions or policies, then let's hear them and discuss them. That's not what we have here.

This working group does not exist to change ICANN policy, it exists to create & change RIPE policy, amongst other things.

It exists because there is network abuse, it exists because there are bad actors and those who actively profit from that abuse. However it is very wrong to think that just because someone may not agree with you that they are one of those bad actors.

If people have advice or technical solutions they wish to share, share them. If they have policies to propose, propose them. The Co-Chairs are here to help with that. 

However if your mails contain only attacks and accusations, then please send them elsewhere.

Thank you,

Brian
Co-Chair RIPE AA-WG

On 1 November 2015 13:00:11 GMT+00:00, Marilson <marilson.mapa at gmail.com> wrote:
>Hi Lu,
>
>I would like to congratulate you for your concern to meet spamcop. You
>are the first representative of an ISP that I see, in the last seven
>months, concerned about complaints that spamcop reports. Look Ronald,
>all is not lost!
>
>As a rule your peers have reacted to allegations of dishonest and
>sociopathic way. They have refused to stop spammers and scammers and
>have retaliated by sending spam, phishing and viruses in heaps. When I
>tell in heaps I am referring to tens per day absolutely equal. The
>record is of the Lomadee with 167 equal spams in 4 days. Pure rage.
>Sociopathy and greed.
>
>Mr. Neylon, do not you dare disqualify my information because I have
>evidence in abundance, which you guys are blocking, preventing from
>being shown. Every time someone denounces the ISPs you try to
>disqualify the complaint. The problem, my dear, is that you are trying
>to defend the indefensible. Even being one of the foxes caring the hen
>house.
>
>Lu, there is another problem regarding spamcop that you should
>consider. Since last month there have been failures in the companies
>appointed to be reported. I am no longer using companies that spamcop
>indicates to abuse. I do my own research. The reason is obvious.
>Besides the spammer be hiding there is a profusion of ISPs behind a
>single spam that must be confusing the spamcop search system. And that
>is premeditated.
>
>Contrary to Ronaldo, I am not at all concerned with identifying the
>spammer. The reason is simple, he is the least responsible for this
>naughtiness that torments the lives of billions of people. Without the
>complicity of ISPs and Registrars, spammers and scammers would not be
>noticed. And the growing number of spammers and scammers is fostered by
>ISPs, and I can prove that.
>
>Question by Ronald: 
>
>>Please correct me if I'm wrong, but you, Mr. Neylon, *are* the head of
>one of the registrar companies that has a direct financial interest
>inthis matter, right?  Is that >correct is it not?
>
>Answer by Mr. Neylon:
>
>>Blacknight is a registrar and hosting provider.
>
>Well, well, nobody needs help to known what is Blacknight... Mr. Fox if
>you want to stay hidden, wear feathers.
>
>Michele, you are certainly a clever and apparently competent person in
>your role, but my dear, do not stay trying to disqualify all complaints
>that are made against ISPs and Registrars because your position is
>uncomfortable - you are defending the indefensible. I am architect and
>urban planner. My job is to create the most pleasant environments to
>the people, where they feel good. It is extremely difficult for me to
>understand a profession that has made efforts to irritate and defraud
>people. If your hypothalamus is not producing oxytocin make a hormone
>replacement because without oxytocin you will be unable to empathize
>with people. In other words let sociopathy for companies like
>Volkswagen. If you do not change your attitude the next time I will ask
>you if you have killed, today, one refugee child or kicked one.
>
>Until
>
>Marilson

Brian Nisbet
Network Operations Manager, HEAnet
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