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[anti-abuse-wg] Working Group Charter
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Michele Neylon - Blacknight
michele at blacknight.com
Fri May 30 16:24:26 CEST 2014
Yeah that'd work for me :) Just as long as I don't see the term "cybersquatting" I'm happier -- Mr Michele Neylon Blacknight Solutions Hosting & Colocation, Domains http://www.blacknight.co/ http://blog.blacknight.com/ http://www.technology.ie Intl. +353 (0) 59 9183072 Direct Dial: +353 (0)59 9183090 Twitter: http://twitter.com/mneylon ------------------------------- Blacknight Internet Solutions Ltd, Unit 12A,Barrowside Business Park,Sleaty Road,Graiguecullen,Carlow,Ireland Company No.: 370845 -----Original Message----- From: Brian Nisbet [mailto:brian.nisbet at heanet.ie] Sent: Friday, May 30, 2014 3:23 PM To: Michele Neylon - Blacknight Cc: anti-abuse-wg at ripe.net Subject: Re: [anti-abuse-wg] Working Group Charter Michele, As mentioned, we don't make policy for names, but a lot of people in the community care about them, however, would something like "While areas such as hosting illegal content or copyright infringement" be better? Or shall we just leave it as "While areas such as hosting illegal content..." Brian Michele Neylon - Blacknight wrote the following on 30/05/2014 15:19: > Brian > > Then be explicit > > "Cybersquatting" is a pure names > > It's nothing to do with the actual content > > if you want to talk about copyright infringement etc., then that's > fine > > Regards > > Michele > > > -- > Mr Michele Neylon > Blacknight Solutions > Hosting & Colocation, Domains > http://www.blacknight.co/ > http://blog.blacknight.com/ > http://www.technology.ie > Intl. +353 (0) 59 9183072 > Direct Dial: +353 (0)59 9183090 > Twitter: http://twitter.com/mneylon > ------------------------------- > Blacknight Internet Solutions Ltd, Unit 12A,Barrowside Business > Park,Sleaty Road,Graiguecullen,Carlow,Ireland Company No.: 370845 > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Brian Nisbet [mailto:brian.nisbet at heanet.ie] > Sent: Friday, May 30, 2014 2:46 PM > To: Michele Neylon - Blacknight > Cc: anti-abuse-wg at ripe.net > Subject: Re: [anti-abuse-wg] Working Group Charter > > Hey, > > The aim is to reflect things like your talk from 66 and Peter Forsman's piece on counterfeit websites from 65. So, copyright, hosting illegal content (not trying to make content illegal, but reflecting, where appropriate, national and international laws) etc. It's tricky to say that names aren't in the remit of the RIPE community, I know what you mean, but there is still significant crossover and interest, so while I don't believe we should be making policy about them (let's leave aside how difficult it would be fore the community to do so), we may want to talk about them. > > Brian > Michele Neylon - Blacknight wrote the following on 30/05/2014 14:04: >> Thanks Brian >> >> I was trying to understand what the bit of text that was potentially causing problems was .. >> >> I'd drop "cybersquatting" as it's a term that most people don't really understand and is often misused. If you want to talk about copyright matters in a broader sense then the terminology should be different, "cybersquatting" refers to domain names only and is not within RIPE's remit. >> >> Hosting illegal content in my opinion should definitely be in scope. >> >> Regards >> >> Michele >> >> >> -- >> Mr Michele Neylon >> Blacknight Solutions >> Hosting & Colocation, Domains >> http://www.blacknight.co/ >> http://blog.blacknight.com/ >> http://www.technology.ie >> Intl. +353 (0) 59 9183072 >> Direct Dial: +353 (0)59 9183090 >> Twitter: http://twitter.com/mneylon >> ------------------------------- >> Blacknight Internet Solutions Ltd, Unit 12A,Barrowside Business >> Park,Sleaty Road,Graiguecullen,Carlow,Ireland Company No.: 370845 >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Brian Nisbet [mailto:brian.nisbet at heanet.ie] >> Sent: Friday, May 30, 2014 2:00 PM >> To: Michele Neylon - Blacknight >> Cc: anti-abuse-wg at ripe.net >> Subject: Re: [anti-abuse-wg] Working Group Charter >> >> Michele, >> >> There is, or there is, bar really the paragraph we're still discussing. >> >> I'd like to thank both Sascha and Dave for their text so far: >> >> As the Internet has evolved, so has the scope and scale of network abuse. Unsolicited bulk email (spam) is often merely a symptom of deeper abuse such as viruses or botnets. Consequently the Anti-Spam Working Group has a wide scope, to include all relevant kinds of abuse. >> >> The technical details of spam and other abuse constantly vary, in terms of application channel and technique. Channel examples include SMTP, SIP, XMPP and HTTP. Examples of techniques range from buffer overrun to social engineering. >> >> Within scope are all systems and mechanisms, both technical and non-technical, that are used to create, control, and make money from, such abuse. >> >> While areas such as cybersquatting or hosting illegal content are not seen as a central part of the working group's remit, they are unquestionably bound up in other aspects of network abuse and, as such, may be areas of interest. >> >> The working group considers both technical and non-technical aspects of abuse, with the following goals: >> >> Produce and continue to update a BCP (Best Common Practice) document for ISPs similar in nature to RIPE-409 but covering a wider range of possible abusive behaviours. >> >> Provide advice (beyond that of the BCP) to relevant parties within the RIPE region such as ISPs, Governments and Law Enforcement Agencies on strategic and operational matters. >> >> Discuss and disseminate information on technical and non-technical methods of preventing or reducing network abuse. >> >> ***************** >> >> The core of the discussion at this point is over: >> >> "While areas such as cybersquatting or hosting illegal content are not seen as a central part of the working group's remit, they are unquestionably bound up in other aspects of network abuse and, as such, may be areas of interest." >> >> Brian >> >> Michele Neylon - Blacknight wrote the following on 30/05/2014 12:07: >>> Brian >>> >>> Is there a proposed updated text incorporating the feedback so far? >>> >>> Regards >>> >>> Michele >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Mr Michele Neylon >>> Blacknight Solutions >>> Hosting & Colocation, Domains >>> http://www.blacknight.co/ >>> http://blog.blacknight.com/ >>> http://www.technology.ie >>> Intl. +353 (0) 59 9183072 >>> Direct Dial: +353 (0)59 9183090 >>> Twitter: http://twitter.com/mneylon >>> ------------------------------- >>> Blacknight Internet Solutions Ltd, Unit 12A,Barrowside Business >>> Park,Sleaty Road,Graiguecullen,Carlow,Ireland Company No.: 370845 >>> >>>
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