[anti-abuse-wg] Bye Bye

Suresh Ramasubramanian wrote:
> Neither dtag nor the other entities that you mentioned, are using the
> resources that they have been allocated, and could possibly do with less
> of, are using their IP space for large scale network abuse so i do wish
> you wouldn't make such comparisons

Who did a comparison here ?
I didnt.

Those are different facts (abusers, wasters, stupid protocols
and far too big legacy chunks along with stupid ERX blocks spreaded
and wasted all over the place) all ending up in wasted address space.


The question is, if the community likes to collects these netblocks
back to give it away to people that need some, in much smaller
chunks.

Or if we are too lazy (simply because it would be quite difficult)
and then push IPv6 forward (what will exhaust one day too, simply
because we waste them already).

In this case Ronald is quite right ...

I personally wondered why IPv6 was started before the IPv4
space was cleaned up, somehow typical I would say ...


Kind regards, Frank

>
> --srs (htc one x)
>
> On 29-Jun-2013 2:02 PM, "Frank Gadegast" <ripe-anti-spam-wg at powerweb.de
> <mailto:ripe-anti-spam-wg at powerweb.de>> wrote:
>
>     Ronald F. Guilmette wrote:
>
>         am concerned, any further time of mine spent interacting with this
>
>
>     Hm, you would probably have more time, when bringing your mails
>     down to facts instead of writing lines and lines of lyrics ...
>
>     Nearly all IPv4 space has been given to people and companies.
>     There is nearly nothing left you could give away ...
>
>         All these resources, if managed properly, sensibly, and without
>         profligate
>         waste and short-term driven exploitation, could be easily rendered
>
>
>     I agree, that there are many many IPv4 addresses currentyl wasted,
>     unused like all these big class-A blocks they gave to the
>     NSA, HP, Apple aso, wich can never proof a need of that many IPs for
>     servers and equipment.
>
>     And there are stupid big block reservations for protocols nobody
>     actually uses, like internal networks, multicast aso.
>     They could be reduced to a single Class-B for example ...
>
>     There are also lots of blocks given to people and companies that
>     do illegal or unwanted things, at least in some countries ...
>
>     And there are lots of big blocks wasted with companies (I would
>     say typically access providers), that are really to stupid
>     to configure there equipment right and instead ordered
>     more and more IPs (an example: the German DTAG could only
>     give access to 80 Million people maximum, guess how many
>     IPs they have for access purpose ?)
>
>     All those IPs could be used much better and probably last a very
>     long time ...
>
>
>     But: those netblocks have been given to the resource holders
>     under the regulations of that time.
>     Do you really want to change the regulations now, to take
>     resources "back" ?
>
>     You have have to be "Robin Hood" to achieve that ...
>
>
>     Good luck, Frank
>
>         infinitely renewable, could be handed down, by us, largely if
>         not entirely
>         intact, not merely to the next generation, but also to their
>         descendants,
>         forever.
>
>         But homo sapiens clearly has not reached that understanding yet.
>           He is
>         still out walking across that frozen land bridge from Asia into the
>         Americans, and all the way down to Tierra Del Fuego, perpetually in
>         search of new space to invade, conquer, exploit, lay waste to,
>         and then,
>         as always move on.  This worked great for dozens of millennia.  Alas
>         it will not work forever.
>
>
>         Regards,
>         rfg
>
>
>
>
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