[anti-abuse-wg] New Abuse Information on RIPE NCC Website

In message <51C2F0A3.8040302 at heanet.ie>, 
Brian Nisbet <brian.nisbet at heanet.ie> wrote:

>I'm going to snip a lot of this mail, but there's a core issue I'd like 
>to address.
>
>> Now, imagine for a moment that The Duchy of Grand Fenwick (google it) has
>> just passed a law _requiring_ all of its citizens to spam.  What is RIPE
>> going to do?  Issue each citizen of Grand Fenwick his or her own /24?
>> In short, at what point does respect for the individuality and authority
>> of the constituent nations and municipalities of the entire RIPE region
>> cross over into unambiguous lunacy?
>
>It's an interesting hypothetical, certainly. There are a number of 
>possible options. The first is that the EU, or just the Netherlands, 
>became aware of this and said "These people are bad, EU companies may 
>not trade with them". The RIPE NCC operates under Dutch law, so they 
>would be forced to stop doing business with those people.

A highly unlikely scenario, I think you will agree.

>The second may be that while these companies may be legitimate 
>businesses the NCC is aware of the local law and says, "Ah, no, we know, 
>for a fact, that you are mandated to use these resources for network 
>abuse, therefore your application is invalid."

Again, based upon the current available evidence, also a highly unlikely
scenario.

>The third option may be that the law is passed, the resources are handed 
>out and the RIPE community, so incensed by this, writes a policy that 
>allows for far more invasive deregistration and closure steps and the 
>membership of the NCC signs off on this. It would be... fun (fcvo fun) 
>to watch and I suspect Nigel may cry.

I'm not even sure which specific Nigel you are referring to, but I for one
could live with that.

>Of course in amongst all of this I would suspect if the resources were 
>handed out, there would be a lot of depeering and null routing going on 
>in relation to the poor, forced-to-spam, citizens of the Grand Duchy. :)

Once again, based upon the available evidence, I would claim that it
would in fact be improbable that any substantial amount of deppeering
and/or null routing would occur, in practice.  It is a classic "trajedy
of the commons" problem, and no operator would wish to have to explain
to its user base why they, end end lusers, can no longer send e-mail to
their cousins in Grand Fenwick.


Regards,
rfg