[anti-abuse-wg] centralized abuse whois

Hi Frank,

Frank Gadegast wrote:

[...]

> > We could implement an active referral service if there was strong 
> > demand
> > for it.
>
> The problem is how to estimate a demand for people, that are no "pros"
> and have no idea, that they would probably like this central service.

I wonder whether asking end users to report abuse is the right way to go. 
Would it not be more effective for the user to inform their service 
provider that a message or event is abuse and rely on the service provider 
to do the right thing. After all, most people ask a mechanic to service 
their car rather than learn how to do that.

[...]

> > However, I wonder whether taping lots of whois servers together
> > with web interfaces and scripting is the right way to go. As I 
> > understand
> > it, the protocol being developed by the IETF's WEIRDS WG "SHOULD be 
> > able
> > to deliver a reply that is effectively a referral or redirect to 
> > another
> > server" as well as supporting internationalised addresses and so 
> > forth.
>
> URL ?

The requirements are here: 
http://tools.ietf.org/id/draft-kucherawy-weirds-requirements-04.txt and 
the charter is here: http://tools.ietf.org/wg/weirds/charters

[...]

> And involving groups and standards and all the like would end up
> in an interface so complicated, that it isnt usefull for normal
> people anymore, it will be full of options, explanations, dos
> and donts, funny APIs based on pretty seldom standards and the like ...

I believe that one of the requirements is that the protocols is simple and 
lightweight.

> The more easy way would probably be:
> - IANA tells the RIRs to implement a whois like the "whois -b" from RIPE
>    only reachable from IANAs servers (lets say until August ;o)
> - IANA creates the new whois under abuse.iana.org, and referres the
>    queries and standarizes the output

In this bottom-up world the policies and requirements are given to ICANN 
as the IANA functions operator. ICANN doesn't command the RIRs to perform 
specific tasks. If you want to place a requirement on ICANN and the RIRs 
along the lines above, you could go down the Global Policy route and ask 
the ASO AC to start a global policy process. Details here: 
http://archive.icann.org/en/aso/aso-mou-attachmentA-29oct04.htm

Regards,

Leo Vegoda
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