[anti-abuse-wg] Automatic IP -> abuse email address mapping

Denis Walker wrote:
> Dear Frank,

Hi Denis,

Im not sure, if this coveres what I would like to have,
simply because you have to know to wich RIR the network
belongs first.

Its quite complicated to
- look the RIR up at whois.iana.org first,
   defny needed for ERX networks
- make the whois at the RIR (and usally find, that
   it sub-deligated the whois to a another RIR like
   BRNIC or KRNIC
- and end up wich 10 different output formats

You cant explain that procedure to an end user ...

But maybe I understood your interface wrong, and
I can really enter an IP at the GRS service
and get the abuse contact email addresses ...

And I know through the expiriences with our normal
customer users, that they simply do not report spam,
because they have no single place to look it up, and
then do not know, where they should send an abuse complaint
to.

Normal users are always quite puzzled, when you tell
them about whois services, RIRs aso, they have
no idea about it, simply because they never heard
anything about RIPE, IANA aso ...
Most dont even know, what an IP address is ...
Its hard enough to tell them how to find the
abusive IP in an mail header ...

And thats why eople use services like SpamCop,
they simply put the spam in a web form, and
they do the rest (ok, not perfect, but handy
anyway).

iana should have such a central service ...


Kind regards, Frank

>
> The RIPE NCC has a Global Resource Service (GRS) where you can perform
> unlimited queries on operational data from all the 5 RIRs and all
> responses are returned in RIPE RPSL format. You can script your queries
> against the RIPE GRS using our API.
>
> I am, at this very moment, writing a new RIPE Labs article with all the
> latest details and improvements we have made recently to this service.
> We expect to publish this article next week.
>
> Regards
> Denis Walker
> Business Analyst
> RIPE NCC Database Team
>
> On 20/06/2013 11:17, Frank Gadegast wrote:
>> Olaf van der Spek wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I hope this is the right list for such a question.
>>> How does one map an IP address to an abuse email address in an automated
>>> way?
>>> I assume scripts exist, but I haven't found any. Does everyone roll
>>> their own?
>>
>> There are no public script to my knowledge
>>
>> This kind of automatic mapping is quite complicated and
>> mostly internal know-how of f.e. blacklists, that do
>> automatic reporting.
>>
>> The steps to do it are something like this:
>>
>> - first you need to identify, wich RIR is responsible for the
>>    IP/netblock, this is tricky, because there more RIRs like
>>    only RIPE, ARIN, LACNIC, AFRNINIC and APNIC, that actually
>>    hold the information you need (f.e. KRNIC and BRNIC aso) and because
>>    there are early registration networks, that usally do not
>>    belong to the RIR you would expect
>> - all whois interfaces at the RIRs are different, parsing is
>>    difficult, different options too and all have different regulations
>>    and fields with even dubled content
>> - then there are limits, how many whois queries you can do
>>
>> We have a pearl-script doing all this with over
>> 3000 lines of code, and this code has to be adjusted
>> nearly every month ...
>>
>> It would be a dream, if this group could discuss
>> a standard whois output format for all RIRs.
>> And the final step could be a centralized whois, anybody
>> could ask for the abuse contact covering the data
>> of all RIRs.
>>
>>
>> Kind regards, Frank
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>>> --
>>> Olaf
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