[anti-abuse-wg] New Abuse Information on RIPE NCC Website

A couple of observations...

The first one being: you still seem to *not* get the difference between
RIPE (the community, rather fuzzily defined, both geogrpahically as well
as structurally) and the NCC (the entity formed and founded by its members
to do just *one* thing: run the numbers registry on behalf of the members).

Ronald F. Guilmette wrote:

[...]
>>I do not think a RIR can survive any other way than by being a
>>"disinterested party" that engages in registry duties, and none other.  
> 
> 
> Assuming, for the sake of argument, that I and every other member of
> RIPE agreed with that exact assertion, then I would be forced to ask the
> obvious question:  What then are the goals, missions, and responsibilities
> of the RIPE Anti-Abuse working group?

May I suggest this description:

	http://www.ripe.net/ripe/groups/wg/anti-abuse

On a more general aspect, please try to relate to the general raos traffic:
In most countries, I presume, the unique license plates are managed and issued
by one or even more entities. Those entities do not accept any responsibility
for the behaviour of the person using a uniquely identified vehicle.

It is a task for the police or traffic wardens or whatever applies to your
jurisdiction, to oversee the use of the vehicle according to *local* law.

If a violation is observed or reported, it is the job of the regular legal
system to follow up. If "someone" shouts to the maintainer of the unique
license plate numbers "stop what I don't like", instead of getting in touch
with the police, you will have see limited success.

Is this something you can relate to?

To finish off,
may I state here (again) that there is infrastructure around to properly
and usefully report (perceived) "network abuse"[1]. It is either your local
law enforcement agency and/or your (own, local ISP, industry sector or
national CSIRT).

Those parties do have the mandate, the means and tools, etc. to follow up
and take the appropriate steps.

Hth, regards,
Wilfried.

[1] in order to use those services, having a "common" "definition" of
    "network abuse" is not even necessary :-)