[anti-abuse-wg] Allocation of number resources

Hi,

On Thu, Feb 07, 2013 at 05:29:59PM +0530, Suresh Ramasubramanian wrote:
> Well let us put it this way.
> 
> The entities Ron's been thinking of have been doing this on the /15 scale
> for quite a while now, so I do think they should have quite a few /16s on
> the "use till it gets heavily blocked, get a new one from a RIPE LIR"
> principle.

If a LIR comes back for "more space", and cannot plausibly document that
their existing space is full (80%), then the RIPE NCC won't give them
extra space - so in the example of a /17 lying around mostly unused, 
the LIR would find itself in a pretty painful position.  We *do* encourage
making use of the addresses, we just don't go out of our ways to active
reclaim possible-unused space.

> Three weeks here, three weeks there and you're looking at the best part of
> a year more at a conservative estimate.

A /16 is just not that much space.  A /8 would be interesting, but even
*that* isn't "a year more" (and even "a year more" would be the wrong
signal, namely "yeah, there's more IPv4" - which will just get people
to roll out more IPv4-only stuff that will need to be touched later).

> And I would be very interested to see just how much v6 space they have.
> 
> Ron - noticed some?
> 
> And please don't even tell me there's enough v6 space for everybody so we
> needn't worry about IP allocation at all, that is what we all thought back
> when class A, B and C addresses were being handed out, so we might as well
> learn from our past experience as from anything else.

I can do math (and learned that from experience).

Can you?

If a rogue LIR gets a fresh /29 every week, paying a full RIPE membership
fee each time, RIPE's /12 will last about 2500 years.

And then, there's about 500 more /12s inside FP 001, and *then*, we get
about 6 more tries to make a more conservative IPv6 allocation policy.

Should I care?

Gert Doering
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