[anti-abuse-wg] Enabling community self-help?

hi!

On 03/29/2012 09:32 PM, Vijay  Eranti (✌ విజయ్  ఈరంటి)  wrote:
> i agree with suresh - ripe has been handing over /15 or even /13 lately to
> criminals who know how to use high bandwidth pipes to spam like crazy. I am

i'm not happy with this either, there are a lot of things i'd personally regard as criminal, not only google. but it's plain madness to believe that i or you or ripe or anybody else than a state can define and enforce - well, law. go to your legal agencies and follow the legal procedures. 

and btw: ip space is a commons. ripe doesn't sell any resources, it doesn't have any (well - not those we're talking about here) it just coordinates inside the community.

and again btw, regarding one of the irrelevant parts of this thread: a botnet is not a criminal registering a /20, installing 2^12 boxes with a bot-trojan on it. it's a bunch of independent windows-boxes connecting to some services used as c&c channel (who don't know anything about all this). so persons taking the botnet-angst seriously, actually really have to desperately want to take action against windows... sbdy registering a /20, installing "bot-clients" on his boxes - that's called "cloud" i believe. and i don't think it is correct to assume they are all illegal. like i don't think cars should be illegal just because some of them kill people...
and while we're at it: looking at guns - posession of a gun is illegal. i don't think it's a good idea trying to make ips illegal...

regards,

	Chris