[anti-abuse-wg] Enabling community self-help?

On Thu, Mar 29, 2012 at 5:22 PM, Chris <chrish at consol.net> wrote:

> ripe is the community. ripe ncc is just there to help organize. it handles
> coordination of ips and ases, as (or: where) they have to be unique. the
> only reason why ripe doesn't simply hand out any number of resources to
> anybody is that these are finite (well, in fact, otherwise ripe simply
> wouldn't exist). the only decisions on handing out resources done at ripe
> are regarding fairness (and subordinate/derived technical decisions on
> coordination). that's what constitutes its legitimacy. apart from that it
> is totally irrelevant who the requesting party is or is not.
>

I am sorry but yes I do understand that difference.   I do still maintain
that being the custodian of v4 and v6 address space for the RIPE community,
RIPE NCC has a fiduciary (for lack of a better word, this isn't finance)
responsibility to detect and  deny fraudulent IP allocations.


> what you are wailing about is criminal proceedings, policing (and actually
> also judiciary and legislative proceedings, but i think you probably didn't
> realise that). this is the job of law courts and police, so you should
> refer to them.
>

The problem is when they start to refer to the RIR.   Which might happen
sooner rather than later.

That quote about "the police COULD HAVE VIEWED giving RBN an LIR status and
lots of IP space as a money laundering offense" is entirely correct.   In
other words, a slightly more hard nosed cop and/or a more critical
situation than that might trigger law enforcement or regulatory action
because "I didn't know" is very rarely a valid excuse, and which is why
several other more regulated industries have rather stricter due diligence
requirements than what we're seeing here.

-- 
Suresh Ramasubramanian (ops.lists at gmail.com)
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