[anti-abuse-wg] National PSDN "UZPAK"

2012/3/25 Florian Weimer <fw at deneb.enyo.de>:
> * Reza Farzan:
>
>> What is the RIPE policy regarding listing contact e-mails, especially about
>> reporting abuse?
>
> Email contact information is optional.
>

fake fax  number with a 3200baud lane is however cool, or optionnaly
overtaxed telephone number with unnice and incompetent sweat phone
center is quite a must.

A regexp describing a phone number in an ABNF in a RFC matters more to
RIPE than if there are actually people answering the given phone
number are respecting the basics of  troubleshooting (ticketing,
tracability, competence, accountability...).

Well, to be honest would they have contracts with the LIR/RIR they
could enforce the contact. Ho ! My bad. They have the awful power to
restrict the delivery of public IP & AS, therefore they have power
over the contractant. I even guess they could ask the blackholing of
some resources (BGP)  in extreme case.

I am pretty much seeing RIPE as a bureaucracy even though it is
working  by the good will of really nice  and expert persons. But -in
my opinion-  it has forgotten its goal : making sure change
management, QA, accountability  of internet  resources stakeholders is
made correctly. And they have the power to do it. Contracts are there
since the roman empire and they still works the same : a contract is
broken if one of the party does not respects its word  on an essential
contractual binding as long as it is legal.

I have read 10 years ago the RIPE contract for RIR, they do have the
power to do it for sure.   It is not a technical issue, it is more a
political issue amongst RIPE : they don't want to be the bad guys
sanctioning bad behaviours, they are the good guys helping as much
good willed people  as they can to do their job properly and cooperate
(that's the reason to be of the RIPE formation I guess on topics such
as DNSSec, IPv6, and meetings, RIPE ML). Revoking a contract is way
more costly (since you have to put a lawyer on the issue in an
international context ruled by more than one country/law/convention).
How many formations do you have to sacrifice for a contract to be
revoked ?

Politic is about deciding how much resources you spend on a given
task. It is clearly not in the hand of any technical mailing lists.
And legal enforcement costs prejudices the formation price. (Education
is productive, litigations alone has no long term positive impact on
the whole ecosystem).

RIPE essence is clearly  to improve the pool of good willed people and
make them cooperate. However, I would -if I were the RIPE- at least
publicly announce once in a while that a rogue RIR/LIR has its
contract suspended. I would do it just because it is demotivating to
do your job correctly when you have evidence of people doing it wrong
without any consequence for them.


Cheers

PS : I really do have appreciated RIPE good willed, nice, and
competent  help when I had to fill the IPv4 forms. I really loved
working with RIPE NCC it was a pleasing experience. I just would like
it to be even better and I guess I lack so much  elements that I might
have expressed an obviously stupid opinion, but I was told you should
always trust your intuition :)



-- 
Julien Tayon
Silent lurker for years  and with no actual shiny title or experience
to backup its opinion :)