[anti-abuse-wg] meeting minutes

 >no one is accepting ur baseless cries.

People involved with a tiny group think that they are the whole world. 
    That is delusional thinking.  You will often see this in local 
politics where people can't understand how a candidate lost because 
"everybody" (meaning their tiny group of friends) supported the person.

I don't know about the so-called abuse reputation services in Europe but 
I am familiar with the US ones such as Microsoft Frontbridge and Cisco 
Ironport.  When businesses complain they were put on a blacklist or 
given a poor reputation score by mistake they are often given no 
recourse.  Even when the problem is fixed there are many reports the 
staffs of these companies are accusatory, rude, threatening, and have a 
know-it-all attitude.  This is how abuse groups are.  They keep in close 
knit groups, hardly interact with the rest of the world, and they have 
disdain for regular users who don't live up to their technical 
expectations.  They also they think they are above the law.  This is how 
they caught up lawsuits like the guy who had to pay damages to a spammer 
and that lawsuit with e360 that spun out of control.  The same thing 
happened years ago with the credit reporting agencies.   They went out 
of control with these reputation scores that were often wrong and 
impossible to fix and it led to a bunch of regulatory laws.  But of 
course everybody who complained was probably a deadbeat so we should 
probably just disregard their complaints ...