[anti-abuse-wg] What is Personal information?

 >They should release information about you, to you. However, they 
should not release to you information about other people.

Right, but the fact is most abuse people never consider any of this 
(including RIPE).
They think privacy laws are there to protect them from spam but fail to 
consider that
the information they collect also has privacy implications.  the thought 
process being that
people they agree with get privacy protection but people they don't like 
don't get any
protection

 >This, actually, seems to be the cause of your confusion. It's still 
personal information under
 >EU law - you *do* get access, but you do not get *unlimited* access. 
There's a subtle difference.

Yes, but that distinction does not make any sense.  As a practical 
matter harvesters use
many different IP's  so blocking IP's has essentially no effect on 
harvesters, it just disrupts legitimate uses.
Further, nobody can explain the legal issue of why the information 
should be protected in this
manner after people agreed to have it published.   People keep bringing 
up these issues
but they can't explain the reasoning or point to any legal analysis that 
should have been done
before initiating a policy change.

Right now RIPE claimed to me a legal analysis was done but they won't
  give me a copy.  RIPE made a different statement when they posted to 
this list saying
sometimes they do a legal analysis of community decisions without 
specifically saying if they
have an analysis for this issue.   They won't say publicly that a legal
analysis was done.  It seems because they don't want the information to 
be public.  I suspect the
results were distorted when they reported it to the working group so 
they want to hide this legal
analysis because it will show the community was deceived.

 >Could you elaborate how this topic is covered for this list?
 >Maybe it would be better to f'up tp RIPE NCC Services Working Group?

I was directed here by RIPE.  However, this topic is relevant to the 
list.  I am pointing out how
the entire system is flawed.  For instance, the current proposal about 
abuse contacts is not properly being
presented to the public.   If the process were legitimate the legal 
opinions would be published for review.
First you need to explain what types of information need protection and 
why.   Then you need to explain
why the abuse contacts are somehow fundamentally different.  Why would 
abuse contacts be available
in an unlimited manner while other contacts are restricted.  This makes 
no sense and most people on this
list want to avoid getting a real decision.   My impression is that it 
is small group of people who treat abuse
like a "religion."  They seem to be against anyone with conflicting 
opinions and they harass and intimate
people who have diverse opinions until they leave.

Thank You

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