[anti-abuse-wg] Status of 2011-06

Russ,

"russ at consumer.net" wrote the following on 13/01/2012 18:03:
>  >Without expressing on my behalf any opinion on what you're saying above,
>  >if you are going to make accusations regarding NCC behaviour on the
> mailing
>
> Why don't you just them to respond to the list and address the issues?
> They just point me
> to the AUP and won't address that the requests are not coming from me.

I don't feel it is up to the NCC or anyone else to reply on this mailing 
list to accusations that, right now, have no back up. If you wish to 
discuss this privately you're more than welcome to mail Tobias and I at 
aa-wg-chairs at ripe.net and we can discuss the matter with the NCC with an 
eye to a public and transparent resolution to this.

> They say to use -r
> in my requests but won't address the the fact the requests would not
> give abuse contacts or
> that requests would then have be different to RIPE than the other RIR's.
> They won't address
> the issue that the abuse contacts involve all regions and not just RIPE.

There is, right now, no formal requirement for members to supply abuse 
contact information. And the regional DBs are not linked. I don't think 
there's any question that abuse is a global problem and I don't feel the 
NCC are ignoring this, but without specific details it's hard to say.

> They won't name the
> legal advisor or point to any written opinion. There is no way to tell
> anything that happened
> or why they did it. Here is the information that is available to the
> "community"
>
> http://meetings.ripe.net/ripe-57/presentations/De_Ruig-Update_from_Data_Protection_Task_Force.nctn.pdf
>
> http://www.ripe.net/ripe/groups/tf/dp/report-of-the-ripe-data-protection-task-force

And remember, the DP-TF was a community effort. If this is something the 
community feels needs to be revisited and there is legitimate reason to 
do so, then it should be revisited.

> These decisions affect millions of people around the word and not just a
> few insiders on this list or in these groups
> that have all these meetings that most people cannot attend (even if
> they did attend they would be driven
> out by the insiders in short order). You show me where the general
> Internet community can make heads or tails
> of any of this.

An awful lot of work has been done over the years to make the RIPE 
community as open as possible. We have all of our discussions on these 
mailing lists, the meetings are streamed live with an option for public 
participation and while I realise people may dismiss my words on this 
matter with the accusation of be being some sort of "insider" the recent 
feedback we've got is that new attendees at meetings *don't* feel that 
way. However things can always be improved and the Working Group Chairs 
Collective is always open to suggestions and the like.

Brian.