[anti-abuse-wg] Hold time for abused address space - DNSChanger IP's reallocated

On Thursday 16 August 2012 19.06, lists at help.org wrote:
>   >if its still the same abuser
> 
> This is why many of the blacklists are all screwed up. 

Please clarify. in what way ?
> There is no  
> standards and people are are put into 2 classes, abusers, and 
> non-abusers.  If you ask 100 people to define abuser you get 100 
> different answers.  If you ask a blacklist operator to define the term 
> they will either ignore you  or scoff at you.  Then they will give a 
> childish argument that networks are private property and they can block 
> what they want that disregards the actual issues that operators normally 
> have contracts with their users and labeling people as "abusers" with no 
> real definition can lead to legal liabilities.

If you think that there is an obligation to receive whatever comes into a mailbox
you are utterly wrong. My mailserver is my property and i block whatever
i want for whatever obscure reason. 
> Of course any.one who  
> brings up these issues is labeled a spammer which is why these issues 
> never get corrected and why most blacklists are not legitimately operated.
> 
> A blacklist operator should have standards for putting people on the 
> list, as well as an appeal and review process.
I assume that any blacklist operator has a "standard", usually it's a listing
done by some offending soam.

The good thing with blacklists is that ISP's might interact with the blacklist operator and 
remove ranges that no longer spam.

If admin instead listed in their "access-files" then chances are that those listning 
will never be removed, and there is no  visible authority to discuss them with.

Thanks for spamcop et.al, they are the only thing that kees email still alive.

> 
> 
> 

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