[anti-abuse-wg] the mandatory abuse field

Hi,

>> An option could be the following:
>> the possibility to set the abuse-mailbox field to something like
>> "non-responsive", a predefined value, thats valid according
>> to the format of the field. The cleanup will happen, the resource owner
>> makes a decision and the reporter could see, that the
>> resource owner does not want to have reports (via email) ...
>
> That seems pretty reasonable to me.

That could be an option. There is only one point I do not understand. We 
are talking only about the direct allocations, which in my opinion 
should all have an abuse address and handle their abuse. That is at 
least my opinion.

As I understood Franks idea the resource holder would have to call 
himself "non-responsive" and publish this information, which will 
definitevely create problems in the future. Just thinking of blacklists 
using this information and so on, so at the end the unresponsive will 
add addresses that are deleting inbound messages. Which is of course not 
good either, but we could even proof that an unresponsive ISPs has 
accepted mail on his given address. This can be interesting in legal 
situations like Frank explained as well.

So at the moment I think we have a solution that is easy and 
understandable for everybody and tries to solve a lot of possible 
scenarios. I would rather not change things into a direction that makes 
specific scenarios impossible just to make it "easier" for reporters to 
manage things from a bounce handling or deliverability perspective.

And on the other hand, we (abusix) are sending more than 500k reports 
per day to different ISPs all over the world using whois information and 
yes around 30% are bouncing. So what? We are not even looking at the 
bounce messages. Next time we try again to deliver messages. This is at 
the end not a real problem for reporting parties. And I would not put to 
much attention on it.

On the long end I would rather like to see something like ARIN is doing 
with wrong contact information. Tagging whois entries if the data that 
is provided is not accurate and resource holders are not cooperative.


Thanks,

Tobias