[anti-abuse-wg] Use of RIPE region space by out-of-region users, was RIPE policy

On 9 Mar 2011, at 14:46, Ronald F. Guilmette wrote:

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>> 
>> We are a hosting company.
> 
> Are you under the impression that this fact gives you some sort of special 
> dispensation to send me spam?


I'm sorry, but I honestly don't know how you have the gall to make that kind of throwaway remark. 

Your manner of communicating is exactly why so few network operators take anti-spam / abuse people seriously.

You are your own worse enemies

It's a pity, but I've noticed this with a lot of American anti-abuse people. (Not as much with Europeans - they generally "get" the concepts of reality and non-parallel universes)


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> If so, allow me to suggest, politely, that you reevaluate your assumptions.
> 
>> Our clients can and do do silly things from time to time
> 
> The way you say that, so nochalantly, it sounds to me like you have been aware
> of this fact of human nature for quite some time now.

Yes. Of course. Most people know that other people do silly things 



> Assuming so, what, if
> anything, has your company done to compensate for it?
> 
> (Some other hosting companies who care about their reputations and about
> not polluting the Internet have arranged for all outbound port 25 connects
> from end-luser frequently-compromosed machines to be either blocked or else
> transparently redirected to a machine, or set of machines, where outbound
> filtering takes place... you know... in order to fully suppress the inevitable
> and easily forseeable Nigerian 419 spam outflow from the inevitable and easily
> forseeable compromised end-luser machine.)


Read our terms of service. http://www.blacknight.com/acceptable-usage.html

(And your entire commentary is based on some really odd assumptions.)



> 
> Actually, it has worked with 100% effectivness.

That's only coincidental .. 

Not causal
> 
> 
> I really did construe from that other gentleman's remarks that this sort
> of thing was entirely verboten, based on existing RIPE rules.

Not that I'm aware of

But if we are doing anything that we aren't meant to be doing I'm sure someone will tell us 

Regards

Michele




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