[anti-abuse-wg] Privacy requirements, was Spam FAQs

On 17/12/11 16:37, russ at consumer.net wrote:
> What RIPE did when they implemented this IP address blocking was they
> reduced security for the sake of privacy.  It is now more difficult to
> get abuse contacts.  Sure people can go directly to the database but it
> makes things more difficult and time comsuming.  Several users of my web
> site took the time to write to me to complain about the block.  These
> were mostly system administrators and abuse staff, not people looking to
> harvest RIPE e-mail addresses.  I get contacted all the time from
> security companies and law enforcement entities who use the site.  No
> consideration is given to them and the fact that they are users of RIPE
> services when this block system was implemented.

What you're forgetting it that RIPE NCC have finite resources. They have
documented the block system at
http://www.ripe.net/ripe/docs/ripe-358#211 These restrictions were put
in place in order to make sure that everyone has fair access to the system.

You are clearly hitting limits, and they have provisions for your case
in order to allow Bulk Access. Have a look at
http://www.ripe.net/data-tools/support/documentation/bulk-access-agreement
Yes, there is a fee, but again, that's because you're using more
resources than average.

There's also services like http://www.radb.net who mirror the data from
all the IRRs who you might like to deal with!

> I believe the whois access issues needs to handled at the level of the
> Address Council because it is a universal service and any access
> restrictions need to be coordinated with IANA who, in turn, should
> coordinate with the US Government as they are required to do under their
> contract.   Certainly I should not have to join a European mailing list
> to discuss the services I use from North America.

You're trying to use a service that's based in Europe and hence operates
under EU law. Where does American law come into this? This is purely an
implementation matter for Ripe NCC.

Niall

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