Education - was Re: [anti-abuse-wg] Correct info in RIPE-database - YES

Michele Neylon :: Blacknight wrote:
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> On 10 Aug 2011, at 11:46, Suresh Ramasubramanian wrote:
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>> Of course.  Please do try to educate a botmaster, snowshoe spammer,
>> nigerian scam artist etc.
>
> We are talking about ISPs and LIRs *not* about network abusers

Disagreed.
We have to talk about both, abusers and ISPs/LIRs.

You cannot educate abusers, simply because they do it on effort.

But we have to educate or raise the communication level between
ISPs/LIRs.

Like my example described: most abuse NOCs or very, very slow,
uneducated, not interested, do not want to spend money aso.

I system that raises the level or trusted report sources, that
only works between LIRs, could help, because
- any LIR could be force to enter his details, so he will
   READ any description, why this system was introduced
- reports from other, experienced LIRs/ISPs could be trusted,
   simply because they are experienced, they will not
   behave like normal end users, will try to use standarized
   reporting formats, present all needed infos and detailed
   log excerpts e.g and simply because they also want
   the same kind of qualified reports from others

An introduction of such a anonymous communication server
via RIPE NCCs servers could also be accompanied with
snail mail, email, announcements, in the regulary RIPE reports,
meetings aso ...

>> LEA has their place in the larger scheme of things.  It wouldnt be a
>> bright idea to underrate, or underestimate them.

LEA actions only works, if the abusing server and the administrator
of the attacked service are located in the same country and
surely are last resort (well, works in Germany quite well,
very ignorant ISPs could be brought to court, if they
ignore reports, because everybody in Germany is urged
to prevent crime from others, if he has knowledge
and the possibility to prevent it).


Kind regards, Frank

>
>
> *Sigh*
>
>>
>> On Wed, Aug 10, 2011 at 4:12 PM, Michele Neylon :: Blacknight
>> <michele at blacknight.ie>  wrote:
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>>> I'm a strong believer in self-regulation - so education is always going to be the preferred route for me - LEA can be too heavyhanded
>>
>>
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>> --
>> Suresh Ramasubramanian (ops.lists at gmail.com)
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