[anti-abuse-wg] Reporting Fraud

In message <4CA2F926.7040009 at hovland.cx>, 
=?ISO-8859-1?Q?J=F8rgen_Hovland?= <jorgen at hovland.cx> wrote:

>I don't really want a public database of our LIRs allocations with 
>timestamped inetnums that goes back in time. If you want that kind of 
>information you can contact us directly, and if you do I might tell you 
>to contact the authorities first to get a warrant. I can't think of very 
>many reasons, if any at all, why you would need such information without 
>it having something to do with illegal activities anyway. And that is 
>someone elses job.

I agree.

But guess what?  That ``someone else'' isn't doing the job.  Like not at
all.  And how could they anyway, if even they wanted to, and even if
they got the necessary training and personel, given the tangled state
of things?

Take that ``Belize'' block I pointed out earlier.  Let's just say,
hypothetically, that there was some criminal activity going on in
there.  Who should I report that to?  Who should investigate?
Belgian police? (home of RIPE) Belizian police?[1]  Interpol??

Do you think that _any_ of these entities would be either willing or
able to do _anything_ at all?  I don't.  I agree that it is their
job.  I do not agree that _they_ would agree that it is their job.


Regards,
rfg


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[1]  I recall reading something a couple of years ago saying something
like the number of stolen cars in Belize outnumbered the number of non-
stolen ones.  This doesn't happen unless the whole place is corrupt as
hell... which is undoubtedly why the person who got that 195.80.148.0/22
block elected to pretend to be there, rather than anyplace else on earth.