[anti-abuse-wg] DRAFT: RIPE proposal - implementation of an abuse monitor system

On 9 Apr 2010, at 15:38, Frank Gadegast , Dipl-Inform. Frank Gadegast wrote:

> 
> But there are that many ...

There are only a handful that really matter and anyone who actually cares is probably monitoring them

Combine that with the "feedback" loops from AOL / MSN etc., and you've covered pretty much anything of any real importance

> 
> 
> If the community willing to accept, that RIPE members cause
> harm to other members without any consequences simply because they
> are lazy, uneducated, ignorant or without resources to prevent problem
> or maybe even because they provit or intended the problem ?

That isn't a question that can be answered with a simple yes / no

It's a grey area

For example, if you were to report an issue to us which involved our main mail cluster it would probably be dealt with within a few minutes to a couple of hours (depending on what it was)

However, if you were reporting an issue involving an IP or range of IPs that are used by a client of ours with dedicated / colo or even IP transit then it may take a lot longer for the issue to be fully resolved.

Does that mean that we are not acting responsibly in your view?

Or do you understand that we cannot simply unplug a chunk of our network that quickly?

Is the delay causing "harm" ? Probably. 

Is that "harm" a huge problem?

That depends on what the "harm" is.

Network abuse comes in many shapes and forms. Email abuse could be a simple commercial email that you did not want to get OR it could be a much more serious problem such as a phishing email




> 
> Does "free internet" means that we have to live with that ?

What do you mean by "free"?

free as in freedom?

or 

Free as in cost?


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