[anti-abuse-wg] themes on lists and meetings

"Dipl-Inform. Frank Gadegast" wrote the following on 08/04/2010 11:37:
>>
>>>>> (still waiting on a discussion of the system I discribed arround lunch time)
>>>>
>>>> Are you talking about replicating the Tobias' APNIC proposal in the RIPE
>>>> region and/or publishing lists of non-responders?  I, the list and, I
>>>
>>> No, Im talking about an abuse-adress like ip1.ip2.ip3.ip4 at abuse.ripe.net
>>> wich forward all incoming abuse reports to the responsible member
>>> I discribed.
>>
>> Then by all means write a proposal, please.  From a personal point of
>
> A proposal should be discussed with lots of people to get enough input first.
> This list would be perfect for this.

Perhaps a better way to actually have discussion would be to formulate 
your thoughts into more than a one line entry, try to describe how it 
would work etc, perhaps with a small group of people, then present a 
more concrete idea to the list for further discussion.  Ideally those 
behind an idea would present a proposal as the starting point for list. 
  The way you have presented this so far has either been missed or there 
is not enough there to discuss.

>> There are certain things that it's possible to give feedback on, other
>> things it's more difficult to give feedback on, especially presentations
>
> But at least the agenda could be discussed.

Of course it can.

> Where are the archives of this list ?
> http://www.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/anti-abuse-wg
> does not point me to the right page ?
>
> I would really like to flip through them now.

The old Anti-Spam WG archives are here:

http://www.ripe.net/ripe/maillists/archives/anti-spam-wg/index.html

And the Anti-Abuse WG archives are here:

http://www.ripe.net/ripe/maillists/archives/anti-abuse-wg/index.html

>>> Sure, did anybody ever asked for them ?
>>> Im maybe old and forget a lot, but quickly flicked
>>> through the last mails from the list and did not find anything like
>>> "call for agenda items".
>>
>> Really?  I sent two mails, one on the 10th of March, one on the 31st.
>
> Well, they did not reach me ...
> Checked my archive, my antispam-folders, nothing.

It has been pointed out to me by the lovely NCC staff who moderate the 
mailing lists that there seems to be some confusion over which email 
address you're subscribed to the group under as you appear to be using 
both frank at powerweb.de and phade at www.powerweb.de.  Currently I'm 
assuming that mails are being sent from phade@, which isn't subscribed, 
but that's something you may wish to investigate.  Certainly, both mails 
reached the list.

> Did not receive one usefull and productive comment ...

I don't think there was much to discuss, although you mentioned some 
points in your last mail.  I really would encourage you to collect your 
thoughts, possibly talk to some other people off-list, then write a mail 
to the list setting out your idea, how it would work, the pros and cons 
etc.  This would be a far more effective idea than burying them in the 
middle of a discussion.

>> discussed.  A variety of questions spring to mind for me, some of which
>> I've outlined above.  However without more detail, there will not be
>> proper discussion.
>
> Maybe everybody on this list could comment it, I collect the ideas
> and improvements and re-post it to the list ?

Everybody won't, such is the nature of these things, but you have a 
better chance of a better response with a clear mail setting out your 
idea in detail.

Regards,

Brian.