[anti-abuse-wg] how to detect spambots - SPAMTrusted

Jeffrey Race wrote:
> On Wed, 11 Mar 2009 11:07:14 +0100, Frank Gadegast wrote:
>> And the entities always have one big problem:
>> - most attacks are started via abuse dial-in IPs somewhere in the world
>>   where they cannot work together with the provider, because provider
>>   has no interest
>>
>> So, its always the same, its not that the legal entities are not
>> willing, its the providers, that are not willing to help to trace
>> any abuse back to the real originator.
> 
> 
> And so the ONLY solution to this behavior is to motivate them to
> cooperate by adopting a universal rule that if you are such an ISP,
> your traffic is refused until you come into compliance.   Other
> domains of human activity use the same rule e.g. you don't get
> a driver's license until you pass the test, and if you are a drunk
> driver it is withdrawn.  (See earlier reference for a simple
> system to implement this.)

Yes, and thats exactly what this abuse group has to define !

A driver license for ISPs, they have to commit and pass a test
before they get any more IP services.
And RIPE has to watch their behaviour and revoke addresses
that are being massively misused.

Problem: no RIPE member wants to get more work (reporting or
reacting to abuse) and no RIPE member is willing to have the fees
raised, so the RIPE can setup such a monitoring system.

And ? there we are again.
This group is useless, if the members are not willing
to do anything against abuse (do you remember this little
survey I had a week ago ? we received exactly ONE answer !)
All together that are two out of what ? a hundred ? a thousand ?
How many are on this list ?


Kidn regards, Frank
> 
> Jeffrey Race
> 
> 
> 


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