<div> <div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="auto">On Fri, Sep 22, 2017 at 17:40 Jetten Raymond <<a href="mailto:raymond.jetten@elisa.fi">raymond.jetten@elisa.fi</a>> wrote: </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Dear AP-WG, I Oppose this 2017-03 proposal, IPv6 has been around for decades, and "we" have failed to implement it in time. I see no point in rewarding laziness and yet trying to again give more time to seriously start to implement v6. The more time we are given, the more time it will take, that’s how we have done it in the past, and I don’t see the laziness go if not forced to. Warnings were ignored, we (v6 advocates) were laughed at, "again it will end", " you’ve told us that many years". Even if we only hand out a /28, we still have the basic problem, and it won't go away v4 WILL run out. Don’t make the suffering any longer. Rgds, Ray </blockquote><div dir="auto"> </div><div dir="auto">+1</div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"> -----Original Message----- From: address-policy-wg [mailto:<a href="mailto:address-policy-wg-bounces@ripe.net" target="_blank">address-policy-wg-bounces@ripe.net</a>] On Behalf Of Palumbo Flavio Sent: 22. syyskuuta 2017 11:17 To: Daniel Suchy <<a href="mailto:danny@danysek.cz" target="_blank">danny@danysek.cz</a>>; <a href="mailto:address-policy-wg@ripe.net" target="_blank">address-policy-wg@ripe.net</a> Subject: [address-policy-wg] R: 2017-03 New Policy Proposal (Reducing Initial IPv4 Allocation, aiming to preserve a minimum of IPv4 space) I don't see TOO any problem in reduction of initial (minimal) IPv4 allocation. So i support this idea TOO . -----Messaggio originale----- Da: address-policy-wg [mailto:<a href="mailto:address-policy-wg-bounces@ripe.net" target="_blank">address-policy-wg-bounces@ripe.net</a>] Per conto di Daniel Suchy Inviato: venerdì 22 settembre 2017 10:09 A: <a href="mailto:address-policy-wg@ripe.net" target="_blank">address-policy-wg@ripe.net</a> Oggetto: Re: [address-policy-wg] 2017-03 New Policy Proposal (Reducing Initial IPv4 Allocation, aiming to preserve a minimum of IPv4 space) Hello, /24 is de-facto standard accepted in routing tables these days and also /24 was used in large scale during PI assignments - so I don't see any problem in reduction of initial (minimal) IPv4 allocation. So i support this idea. But I would like to keep option for asking more than /24 (up to /22 maximum, as was decided in the past) LIRs eligible for allocation, if LIR properly documents his request. >From my own practice there're some LIR, where /24 is sufficient and they just become LIRs because there's no other real option to get independent addresses (old "PI") and with /22 we're just wasting limited resource. But there're also LIRs, where /22 will actively used. I don't see any problems in terms of RFC 2050 mentioned here and memory contraints, providers had to upgrade their routers in meantime anyway (at least due to IPv6 adoption). Fragmentation up to /24 is long-term reality and we had to deal with it anyway. With regards, Daniel On 09/21/2017 01:43 PM, Marco Schmidt wrote: > Dear colleagues, > > A new RIPE Policy proposal, 2017-03, "Reducing Initial IPv4 > Allocation, aiming to preserve a minimum of IPv4 space", is now available for discussion. > > The goal of this proposal is to reduce the IPv4 allocations made by > the RIPE NCC to a /24 (currently a /22) and only to LIRs that have not > received an IPv4 allocation directly from the RIPE NCC before. > > You can find the full proposal at: > <a href="https://www.ripe.net/participate/policies/proposals/2017-03/" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.ripe.net/participate/policies/proposals/2017-03/</a> > > As per the RIPE Policy Development Process (PDP), the purpose of this > four-week Discussion Phase is to discuss the proposal and provide feedback to the proposer. > > At the end of the Discussion Phase, the proposer, with the agreement > of the RIPE Working Group Chairs, decides how to proceed with the proposal. > > We encourage you to review this proposal and send your comments to > <<a href="mailto:address-policy-wg@ripe.net" target="_blank">address-policy-wg@ripe.net</a>> before 20 October 2017. > > Kind regards, > > Marco Schmidt > Policy Development Officer > RIPE NCC > > Sent via RIPE Forum -- <a href="https://www.ripe.net/participate/mail/forum" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.ripe.net/participate/mail/forum</a> > Check Point Le informazioni contenute in questo messaggio di posta elettronica e in ogni eventuale documento allegato sono riservate, potrebbero essere coperte dal segreto professionale e possono essere utilizzate esclusivamente dal destinatario sopra indicato. 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