<div dir="ltr"><span style="font-size:12.800000190734863px">As I have mentioned before, getting a /22 only to sell it after a couple weeks shows that it was only requested in order to make some money and not for a real need. It's a small glitch that many took advantage of. Also the merger & acquisition policy at that time suited your interests very well but that's neither important.</span><div style="font-size:12.800000190734863px"><br></div><div style="font-size:12.800000190734863px">What raises a question is the fact that you say you treat opinions based on the person that issues that opinion and not just the idea and that you induce the idea that a minority's voice should be ignored because it's obvious a minority would just oppose the majority. These are the problems that need to be dealt with. I will never support discrimination based on appartenance to a minority or personal feelings based on previous experience.</div><div style="font-size:12.800000190734863px"><br></div><div style="font-size:12.800000190734863px">Yes, start praising people if that's the purpose of this list. Hitler was also a very praised man. Let's stop with the personal feelings between us and discuss the ideas which are the important ones. I will not bring into discussion the "petty crime" that you did by taking advantage of the policies and putting aside a /22 from the last /8. It was wrong of me to mention it and it really is not important at all.</div><div style="font-size:12.800000190734863px"><br></div><div style="font-size:12.800000190734863px">Ciprian</div><div style="font-size:12.800000190734863px"><br></div><div class="gmail-yj6qo gmail-ajU" style="font-size:12.800000190734863px"></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Oct 19, 2016 at 2:59 PM, Gert Doering <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:gert@space.net" target="_blank">gert@space.net</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Hi,<br>
<span class=""><br>
On Wed, Oct 19, 2016 at 02:34:40PM +0300, Ciprian Nica wrote:<br>
> It's a simple question from a member of the community to one of the WG<br>
> Chairs: did you abuse the last /8 or not ? Do you consider yourself a<br>
> neutral arbitrer or not ? Do you consider yourself the one that should be<br>
> judging others ? Or is it your "job" to shut the voices that are not<br>
> according to your interests ?<br>
<br>
</span>Since you insist on riding that horse, I can no longer ignore it - so<br>
you'll have your answer. On record.<br>
<br>
Yes, one of the LIRs that I represent in RIPE member issues (de.space)<br>
is holding two /22s out of 185/8. The second /22 came into this LIR<br>
together with two /19s, some equipment, an extra employee, and a number<br>
of customers when we acquired a smaller regional ISP in 2014.<br>
<br>
As per community policy, this is well within letter and *spirit* of the<br>
policy - the LIR acquired was not "set up to get a /22 and be bought"<br>
(it existed for some 15 years), it was providing ISP services, and<br>
there were reasons that do not need to be disclosed that the owners wanted<br>
to sell it, which had nothing to do with IP addresses. The acquisition<br>
went through the regular M&A process with the RIPE NCC, and all documents<br>
were properly scrutinized (and I can tell stories how much detail the<br>
NCC will check, and how much paperwork is involved).<br>
<br>
<br>
Does the number of IP addresses one of the LIRs I can represent hold<br>
have any relevance on my serving as WG chair? No.<br>
<br>
<br>
Am I neutral regarding address policy? Well, I do my best.<br>
<br>
Sometimes this is not easy, as I do have strong concerns for the well-being<br>
of the Internet globally and in the RIPE region - but this is why there<br>
is two chairs here: Sander will double-check every decision made, and<br>
everything is public anyway. Summaries are written for a reason, and<br>
decisions are based *on posts on the list*, so it does not really matter<br>
how neutral I am, as everything is public, and you can double-check the<br>
conclusions (and possible call up the arbitration procedure).<br>
<br>
<br>
So, yes, I consider myself still suitable as a WG chair for the address<br>
policy WG.<br>
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