<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote">On 11 June 2016 at 13:01, Radu-Adrian FEURDEAN <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:ripe-wgs@radu-adrian.feurdean.net" target="_blank">ripe-wgs@radu-adrian.feurdean.net</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><span class="">On Fri, Jun 10, 2016, at 17:19, Aled Morris wrote:<br>
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> I'm curious to know what benefit such customers perceive from being LIRs<br>
> (rather than just taking IP address space from you).<br>
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</span>Hi,<br>
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They have "their own" space, one /22 for them alone. </blockquote><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>I agree that's all they want. </div><div><br></div><div>Do we really want dozens (hundreds even) of "members" who have no interest whatsoever in the good of the community, participating in the policy making, education or technical standards?</div><div><br></div><div>Worst case, what if they got together and voted to demutualise RIPE?</div><div><br></div><div>Realistically, I'd rather we went back to offering /24 (or less) of PI space to end users via their existing LIRs rather than burning /22's for end-users who think they might be missing out if they don't lay claim to their IPv4 space now.</div><div><br></div><div>Many of the ISPs I know are advising their large business customers to "register with RIPE for IPv4 space" without really bothering to understand, or caring, they are joining a membership organisation.</div><div><br></div><div>Aled</div></div></div></div>