<html xmlns:v="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml" xmlns:o="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" xmlns:w="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word" xmlns:m="http://schemas.microsoft.com/office/2004/12/omml" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40"><head><meta http-equiv=Content-Type content="text/html; charset=windows-1252"><meta name=Generator content="Microsoft Word 15 (filtered medium)"><style></style></head><body bgcolor=white lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1>Hi Elvis, <o:p></o:p><o:p> </o:p>I oppose to your word choice that we are trying to sneak something in, with this policy. <o:p></o:p><o:p> </o:p>As stated during the discussion at the AP, a change to the holdership will to fall under the same restrictions as the transfers currently, that was pointed out AND discussed since version 1. <o:p></o:p><o:p> </o:p>If a company is currently doing a M&A after that particular company has become a (new) LIR since 6 months, it means it needs to keep the LIR open for another 18 months.. <o:p></o:p>For any M&A, the cost for a membership fee of 18 months will not be a deal breaker for an actual business take-over … unless one is trying to game the system. <o:p></o:p><o:p> </o:p>To give an indication, the damage of a diner with 7 people at the MASH Penthouse at the RIPE72 venue can be more expensive ... <o:p></o:p><o:p> </o:p>Thanks for the feedback. <o:p></o:p><o:p> </o:p>Regards,<o:p></o:p>Erik Bais <o:p></o:p><o:p> </o:p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'>Van: address-policy-wg [mailto:address-policy-wg-bounces@ripe.net] Namens Elvis Daniel Velea Verzonden: woensdag 25 mei 2016 10:28 Aan: address-policy-wg@ripe.net Onderwerp: Re: [address-policy-wg] opposition to 2015-04<o:p></o:p></div></div><o:p> </o:p>Dears, as mentioned during the policy session, I am opposing to this (version of) the policy proposal. While I was sure that I did voice this concern over the mailing list, I can not find the e-mail now. But I am sure I did voice this concern and the opposition at previous RIPE Meeting(s). As long as this proposal adds the 2 years holding period of scarce resources moved through M&As (which are 'regulated' through a RIPE NCC procedure) I will oppose to it. I am not going to go into examples wars of why some company would want to transfer/move/merge/etc.. resources within a 2 years period. While I agree that transfers should have a holding (or call it anti-flip) period and I even proposed 2015-01 (which is now part of policy), I do not agree that we should include M&As in the same bucket. If a new version of this policy proposal would be only about transfers of IP addresses, and not try to sneak in M&As into the same document, I would agree with it. my 2 cents, elvis<o:p></o:p><div>On 5/25/16 9:52 AM, Remco van Mook wrote:<o:p></o:p></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre>Dear all,<o:p></o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre>as just mentioned during the address policy session, I'm withdrawing my objection to 2015-04. While I do think a discussion about policy structure still needs to be held, I don't think it should hold up this proposal any longer. This can be fixed after adoption - as long as we're aware.<o:p></o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre>I do maintain my suggestion to put references in place where chapters about transfers are removed from other sections of policy.<o:p></o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre>Kind regards,<o:p></o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre>Remco<o:p></o:p></pre></blockquote><o:p> </o:p><div>-- <o:p></o:p><table class=MsoNormalTable border=0 cellspacing=0 cellpadding=0 width=400 style='width:240.0pt'><tr><td width=220 style='width:132.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 0cm'><a href="http://v4escrow.net" target="_blank"><img border=0 width=178 height=96 id="_x0000_i1025" src="cid:image001.png@01D1BA05.E6E6E730"></a><o:p></o:p></td><td width=200 style='width:120.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 0cm'><o:p> </o:p><h1 style='margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt'>Elvis Daniel Velea<o:p></o:p></h1><h2 style='mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:7.5pt;margin-left:0cm'>Chief Executive Officer<o:p></o:p></h2>E-mail: <a href="mailto:elvis@V4Escrow.net">elvis@V4Escrow.net</a> Mobile: +1 (702) 970 0921<o:p></o:p></td></tr><tr><td colspan=2 style='padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 0cm'>Recognised IPv4 Broker/Facilitator in:<o:p></o:p></td></tr><tr><td colspan=2 style='padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 0cm'><![if !vml]><map name=MicrosoftOfficeMap0><area shape=Rect coords="0, 2, 64, 28" href="http://www.ripe.net/lir-services/resource-management/ipv4-transfers/brokers" target="_blank"><area shape=Rect coords="137, 0, 233, 31" href="http://www.apnic.net/services/become-a-member/manage-your-membership/transfer-resources/transfer-facilitators" target="_blank"><area shape=Rect coords="296, 3, 379, 40" href="https://www.arin.net/resources/transfer_listing/facilitator_list.html" target="_blank"></map><img border=0 width=379 height=40 src="cid:image002.png@01D1BA05.E6E6E730" usemap="#MicrosoftOfficeMap0" v:shapes="_x0000_s1026 _x0000_s1027 _x0000_s1028 _x0000_s1029"><![endif]><img border=0 width=376 height=28 id="_x0000_i1026" src="cid:image003.png@01D1BA05.E6E6E730"><o:p></o:p></td></tr></table><o:p> </o:p></div></div></body></html>