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Hi Erik,<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 5/30/16 1:45 AM, Erik Bais wrote:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Hi
Elvis, <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">I
oppose to your word choice that we are trying to sneak
something in, with this policy. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">As
stated during the discussion at the AP, a change to the
holdership will to fall under the same restrictions as the
transfers currently, that was pointed out AND discussed
since version 1. </span></p>
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that was my mistake, I was sure I had pointed it out in an older
e-mail.. can't find it so it probably never made it to the list and
was in draft status forever :)<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">If
a company is currently doing a M&A after that particular
company has become a (new) LIR since 6 months, it means it
needs to keep the LIR open for another 18 months.. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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any M&A, the cost for a membership fee of 18 months will
not be a deal breaker for an actual business take-over …
unless one is trying to game the system. </span></p>
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well, this is what I was opposing to. However, after further
discussions offline, I no longer think this is quite such a bad
idea. So, I no longer oppose.<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
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give an indication, the damage of a diner with 7 people at
the MASH Penthouse at the RIPE72 venue can be more expensive
... <br>
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you never invited me there... I would've wanted to see the proof.<br>
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so, +1 to the proposal.<br>
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cheers,<br>
elvis<br>
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Bais <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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address-policy-wg
[<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:address-policy-wg-bounces@ripe.net">mailto:address-policy-wg-bounces@ripe.net</a>] <b>Namens </b>Elvis
Daniel Velea<br>
<b>Verzonden:</b> woensdag 25 mei 2016 10:28<br>
<b>Aan:</b> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:address-policy-wg@ripe.net">address-policy-wg@ripe.net</a><br>
<b>Onderwerp:</b> Re: [address-policy-wg] opposition to
2015-04<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">Dears,<br>
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as mentioned during the policy session, I am opposing to this
(version of) the policy proposal.<br>
<br>
While I was sure that I did voice this concern over the
mailing list, I can not find the e-mail now. But I am sure I
did voice this concern and the opposition at previous RIPE
Meeting(s).<br>
As long as this proposal adds the 2 years holding period of
scarce resources moved through M&As (which are 'regulated'
through a RIPE NCC procedure) I will oppose to it. <br>
<br>
I am not going to go into examples wars of why some company
would want to transfer/move/merge/etc.. resources within a 2
years period. While I agree that transfers should have a
holding (or call it anti-flip) period and I even proposed
2015-01 (which is now part of policy), I do not agree that we
should include M&As in the same bucket.<br>
<br>
If a new version of this policy proposal would be only about
transfers of IP addresses, and not try to sneak in M&As
into the same document, I would agree with it.<br>
<br>
my 2 cents,<br>
elvis<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On 5/25/16 9:52 AM, Remco van Mook wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<pre>Dear all,<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre><o:p> </o:p></pre>
<pre>as just mentioned during the address policy session, I'm withdrawing my objection to 2015-04. While I do think a discussion about policy structure still needs to be held, I don't think it should hold up this proposal any longer. This can be fixed after adoption - as long as we're aware.<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre><o:p> </o:p></pre>
<pre>I do maintain my suggestion to put references in place where chapters about transfers are removed from other sections of policy.<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre><o:p> </o:p></pre>
<pre>Kind regards,<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre><o:p> </o:p></pre>
<pre>Remco<o:p></o:p></pre>
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