<html> <head> <meta content="text/html; charset=windows-1252" http-equiv="Content-Type"> </head> <body bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000"> Tore, can we turn back to non silly insinuations? and please stop personal attacks. If your read again 2015-05 you can easily find out that is not so silly. Currently the only reasonable objection about 2015-05 is that may (I underline may) speed up the allocation rate. Please note that this ojection is based on the insinuation that every LIR qualifing for ad additional /22 will ask for it. You should note the same was done with last /8: about 16000 /22 with about 8000 LIRs at that time datas are on the list. So with the same insinuation no more than half the block to future member cames from who toughs last /8. There's was no idea at that time about recovered space from IANA. From this point of view there's no difference between the two policies. Rorger asked to explain what kind of needs or problems the policy is going to address and I reported clear examples. Current LIRs sign up rate is affacted by LIRs asking their end-users to sign up to save their ip resources and these customers are wasting space creating other unused space you can find this in 2015-05 and much more regards Riccardo <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Il 23/05/2016 20:57, Tore Anderson ha scritto: </div> <blockquote cite="mid:20160523205729.12d1155f@envy.e5.y.home" type="cite"> <pre wrap="">* Riccardo Gori </pre> <blockquote type="cite"> <pre wrap="">I think I answered, It's not nice to have, It's business demand and LIRs should be able to offer... with a /22 I can serve just up to 2 or 3 of my tipical business customers. This is lack of competitiveness. </pre> </blockquote> <pre wrap=""> So, let me get this straight: In order to facilitate growing your business beyond three customers, you've submitted a RIPE policy proposal that'd let you get eventually another 3*/22 from the free pool. This would then allow you to grow your business to having 8-12 customers. Right? Assuming 2015-05 does go through: when your prospective customer number 13 is knocking on your door, should we then expect you to return with another policy proposal to change 2015-05 /20 ceiling to /18? Assuming that proposal also goes through: should we expect you to return again, asking the RIPE community to extend the /18 ceiling by another two bits, so that you can take on customer number 49? And so on... In any case, it is inevitable that at some point in time the RIPE NCC will simply not have any IPv4 address space to give you, regardless of what the policy allows. What will you do then, exactly? And why aren't you already doing it today? Tore </pre> </blockquote> <div class="moz-signature">-- <pre>Ing. Riccardo Gori e-mail: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:rgori@wirem.net">rgori@wirem.net</a> Mobile: +39 339 8925947 Mobile: +34 602 009 437 Profile: <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://it.linkedin.com/in/riccardo-gori-74201943">https://it.linkedin.com/in/riccardo-gori-74201943</a> </pre> <img src="cid:part1.5A7C0D31.BE14CCAC@wirem.net" width="200"> <pre>WIREM Fiber Revolution Net-IT s.r.l. Via Cesare Montanari, 2 47521 Cesena (FC) Tel +39 0547 1955485 Fax +39 0547 1950285 -------------------------------------------------------------------- CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE This message and its attachments are addressed solely to the persons above and may contain confidential information. If you have received the message in error, be informed that any use of the content hereof is prohibited. Please return it immediately to the sender and delete the message. Should you have any questions, please contact us by re- plying to <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:info@wirem.net">info@wirem.net</a> Thank you WIREM - Net-IT s.r.l.Via Cesare Montanari, 2 - 47521 Cesena (FC) -------------------------------------------------------------------- </pre> </div> </body> </html>